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Diagnosed 2005 T4 Dire Prognosis, but still here.....

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Posted 24 Mar 2016 at 17:28

Thank you, our forum 'Goddesses'http://community.prostatecanceruk.org/editors/tiny_mce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-tongue-out.gif

We guys are privileged to have had so many good, supportive, caring (and often downright funny - you know who you are!http://community.prostatecanceruk.org/editors/tiny_mce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-tongue-out.gif) women on these boards over the years.

 

Mo, thanks for reminding me, I had forgotten to add my usual message:

 

SEE YOU ALL AT THE MILL IN JUNE!

(and I do hope we get see some newcomers this year too)

Give this a click:

THE MILL JUNE 2016

 

Sandra, yes, I'm 65 on Easter Sunday, and what a great day - British Summer Time arrives!http://community.prostatecanceruk.org/editors/tiny_mce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-tongue-out.gif

 

But isn't 'BST' such a misnomer?http://community.prostatecanceruk.org/editors/tiny_mce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-tongue-out.gif

 

 

As for Sunderland AFC? Well..........we might just get 3 points on 2nd April.http://community.prostatecanceruk.org/editors/tiny_mce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-tongue-out.gif

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Posted 24 Mar 2016 at 21:18

Hi George,

Glad you are doing so well, especially as a role model for intermitent HT.

Best of luck to the Black Cats on 2nd April.  Hopefully my sick Canaries can get one over on the Magpies to help you out.

Then of course we both have 16th April to worry about.

But hey-ho, there is life outside the Premiership, one of my highlights of 2016 was going to see Colchester v Sheffield United.

Just as exciting as a Premiership game and the tickets were so cheap I could actually afford a pie and a pint at half-time.

I know Jane Plant (God Rest her Soul) wouldn't approve, and a lot of the time, like you, I do my best to follow her example on diet. 

However I don't think the occassional pie will get me to St Peter's gate any time soon.

I had my last HT jab in November and am due my first post HT PSA test next week, here's hoping I don't break the 0.4 threshold my Consultant has set, but if I do I will take solace from the fact that you are letting yours rise to 21, that's what I call bottle.

We hear all this talk of patient empowerment, and taking responsibility for our own treatment, I guess I might be tempted to defy suggestions that I get back on HT too soon?

:)

Dave  

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Posted 25 Mar 2016 at 11:36
HANG ON GEORGE HOW COME THEY ALL GET GODESS😍 AND I GET FUNNY😜 only joking I don't mind Funny.

Congratulations George, you are such an inspiration here it must give so much hope to other men.

BFN

JulieX

NEVER LAUGH AT A LIVE DRAGON
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Posted 25 Mar 2016 at 12:54

Great post George, Thank you, I'm married to a long suffering Charlton supporter, and a retired musician. My OH was diagnosed about 6 months ago. He's doing really well, and I'm looking towards goddess status ;-) He is awaiting Brachytherapy followed by RT, he's has been on the HT for about 6 months & finds it hard going, not looking forward to three years of it.
This disease is awful, and has changed our lives, on a positive note, bringing us even closer together. I'm very grateful for this site, it has given me information, tears smiles and comfort.

Thanks again.

Leila

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Posted 25 Mar 2016 at 13:01

Aww Julie, you have to admit, you and Mo, and some of the other girls, have come out with some real 'laugh out loud stuff' over the years.http://community.prostatecanceruk.org/editors/tiny_mce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-sealed.gif

 

Despite all your worries over Trevor, you can still bring laughter to us all.

I bet Trevor has the same attitude. I salute you both!

I hope you carry on regardless, and keep defying the odds for a long time to come.

All the very best,

 

 

George

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Posted 25 Mar 2016 at 13:33

Leila, I don't know which is worse - to be on HT or to support Charlton. George is a superhero to cope like he does for all these years ... Sunderland supporters have little to be cheerful about

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 25 Mar 2016 at 13:39

Hi Leila,

 

Good to meet you.

Goddess status? You're elevated to sainthoodhttp://community.prostatecanceruk.org/editors/tiny_mce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-innocent.gif already having a musician as a husband!!

You poor lass, it's a hard road to follow when you have one of our mad breed at your side.

You should compare notes with St Lynn (my missus)  if you get to meet her at one of the get-togethers.

Mind you I think he and I would have to scarper for a while.http://community.prostatecanceruk.org/editors/tiny_mce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-innocent.gif

 

Glad to hear he's having such comprehensive treatment, and he shouldn't worry too much about the side effects of HT.

Back in 2005 it was more or less compulsory to suffer 36 months of those injections, but I was on my knees with tiredness after 2 years and begged my oncologist to give me a break. He was very hesitant at first, but then agreed. I managed to go 44 months without treatment.

Since then, like most oncologists, he's all for intermittent HT if we prove we can keep our PSA low for a longish time without the jabs.

 

And this is in answer to Dave's post (above) too.

PSA 0.4 seems a very low threshold to come off a 'hormone holiday' and go back on the injections.http://community.prostatecanceruk.org/editors/tiny_mce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-innocent.gif

Are you sure he said that figure Dave?

 

During my first break from treatment, we set a figure of PSA 10.0 before I had to hurry back to HT.

Since those days he has watched my PSA results carefully and he now feels I can go to 15.0 or 20.0 before action is needed.

But bear in mind, he ALWAYS has me scanned (CT or sometimes MRI) before I resume treatment to ensure there is nothing sinister hiding.

Obviously cancer cells are active somewhere when my PSA reaches 20 or over, but nothing is seen on the scans.

Back in August, I asked him the big question - 'Where the hell are they?', and he said he was certain I had 'Micro Mets' probably in my lymphatic system, too small to be seen on scans.

Since Zoladex works each time I return to it, then we're both happy to use it when required to hammer down those micro mets.

But as always, I must add that we're all unique, and until immunotherapy is available to us, we're never going to be sure that a treatment which will work so well for one guy will work as well for another.

 

Anyway Leila, Good Luck to you and your husband. I do hope that the brachytherapy will have an excellent outcome.

Stay positive, and always pro-active.

 

All the very best,

 

 

George

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted 25 Mar 2016 at 15:24

Hi George,

Re '...PSA 0.4 seems a very low threshold to come off a 'hormone holiday' and go back on the injections.http://community.prostatecanceruk.org/editors/tiny_mce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-surprised.gif

That was exactly my reaction.

Since diagnosis I have been under the wing of shall we call him my main consultant.  I am not sure whether he is primarilly a Urologist or an Oncologist, but he's always been good and straight with me and I have absolute faith in what he tells me.

But radiology is not his forte and for my initial EBRT and more recent HDR Brachytherapy I have been referred to a radiologist, who I also have absolute faith in.

Routinely, ever since diagnosis, when nothing particular is going on, I am invited to an appointment every 6 months with my main Consultant, although sometimes it is one of his housemen who I get to see, I never know who it will be till I get there.  While I have radiotherapy going on I also get to see Radiologist once ever 3 or 4 months.

Now first time around, they had decided I was to have a full 3 years on HT including about 18 months after RT, so I stopped seeing the radiologist, and my main consultant set me a target PSA of no more than 2.5 after 2 years off HT.  Which seemed fair.  In the event I achieved that but then my PSA shot up 2 - 4 - 6 in as many months, so at my next routine visit with the houseman we all agreed that I should go back on HT.  6 months later at an appointment with the main consultant he sort of mused to himself that PSA of 6 wasn't necessarilly the best threshold and he might have let it go higher, however it was too late then I was already back on HT and aggitating for salvage treatment.  

This time around, it is the radiologist who I am seeing who has set the target PSA of 0.4, and I did query it to make sure I hadn't misheard him.  I mean they went to all of the trouble of a template biopsy, deciding which bits of the prostate to cook, and for how long to set the timer etc.  Which suggests that there must have been some bits of the prostate that they didn't fry, and presumablly, while these bits may be poorly from being in close proximity to bits of prostate that had the full microwave treatment, they will nevertheless chuck out some PSA like the ordinary health prostate cells that they are?

So what I think I will do, is obviously wait for my next PSA test, if it comes in at 0.4 or less everything will be hunky dory.  However if it comes in much higher I am inclined to see what my main consultant has to say before I agree to go back on HT.  

As and when I next have HT I will be firmly in the paliative camp, no chance of a 3rd blast of RT, so I will be keen to explore the long term intermitent HT option, as the last thing I want to do, untill I have used up all the other options, is go on permanent HT for ever. 

:)

Dave

     

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Posted 25 Mar 2016 at 15:41

Interesting, Dave.

I'll email you and we'll compare notes to see if that fast rise you experienced was caused by the same thing that got my PSA shooting up at a rate I'd never seen before - 1.0 to 12.0 in three months.
That was about 3 years ago so I'll double check details before I send the email.

George

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Posted 25 Mar 2016 at 16:39

Lynn, Being a Charlton supporter is beyond my comprehension, faithful soul checks the  scores every time they play. I make all the right noises, mostly sad type mumblings these days, have you seen their performance! He's been a fan since he was 6 yrs old, now nearly 66, and still a devotee. 

I  am not much better, Shrewsbury town... me and my cousin used to watch from his classroom when he taught at the tech, they played at the gay meadow, ahhh memories of over.. ouch 35 yrs ago.

George, as I write he's playing his strat guitar... and writing some music. My halo is in for a service this weekend, has had many years of good service. I think i prefer goddess, though sainthood has a good ring to it. 

 

Yes, three years on HT seems a bit out facing,I wonder if he could have a HT holiday after his treatments. He is six months in from diagnosis, for a bloke who rarely saw the inside of a GP's surgery he's finding it all it a bit hard.... He has not built up a rapport with his consultants yet, that might be my role...? 

Yes, we are both pro-active and active, lots to do... we have an organic smallholding, growing all our own food. Cutting back a bit this year to accommodate treatments.

Right, a cuppa tea beckons.

 

Leila 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted 24 Mar 2017 at 11:50

Dear Friends,

 

Today is an anniversary date I never dared hope I'd see, let alone be posting on here about it! 

Another milestone: 12 years and still counting.http://community.prostatecanceruk.org/editors/tiny_mce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-surprised.gif

 

I'm so grateful I've had all these years to meet so many new friends and enjoy so many new experiences.

THANK YOU ALL

My urologist was obviously a first class muppet, saying I had just 2 or 3 years left back in 2005. http://community.prostatecanceruk.org/editors/tiny_mce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-surprised.gif

 

That first PSA test was done on March 24th of that year, just three days before my 54th birthday. And here I am, 66 in a few days time, and knowing that whatever present I get this year will be a thousand times better than that terrifying, unfogettable one then.

Mind you, it did look pretty scary at the time - a PSA of 182, T4 tumour with spread to seminal vesicles and pelvic wall & floor. However, once I'd met my optimistic oncologist, everything changed for the better.

He said I was young enough and fit enough to have the tiger cells blasted by 37 sessions of RT

Since my RT & HT back then, I've been incredibly lucky that Intermittent HT has worked well for me.

And even more lucky that PCa still hasn't spread to bones or lymph nodes

Apparently, when I'm off treatment, and my PSA slowly rises from 1.0 to 20+ it's because I have 'micro mets'.

Those damn cancer cells never leave, but at least Zoladex can be used to hammer them down again.

 

I finished my latest round of HT with a Zoladex injection in October last year, and am hoping like crazy that I get a decent 'hormone holiday'. Two years would do me fine, as I know the length of those breaks shorten over the years. My first one in 2007 lasted 44 months. Man, I enjoyed that one. :P


What can I say but 'JUST BLOODY GLAD TO BE HERE!!http://community.prostatecanceruk.org/editors/tiny_mce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-surprised.gif

 

And I'm really looking forward to seeing as many of you as possible at The Mill On The Soar on Sat 1st July, the 10th anniversary of 'The Party At The Mill'

You don't know just how much those get-togethers have meant to me.

I know I've said this before, but we've made friendships that I wished had began 50 years ago.

Out of despair came so much happiness. Who'd have thought it? 

But, I can never forget the great friends who've now passed, from our old 'legends' through to our recent losses.

Every one of those men (and their partners) did so much to help us all.

They're now partying in the sky, and we'll meet again for sure.

That has to be true - Vera Lynn said so!http://community.prostatecanceruk.org/editors/tiny_mce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-surprised.gif

 

 

Very best wishes,

 

 

George

 

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Posted 24 Mar 2017 at 12:39

Great news and an inspiration to us all
Long may it continue
Best wishes
Debby

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Posted 24 Mar 2017 at 12:46

Well done George...as always your post will give so much hope to others

Take care

Bri

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Posted 24 Mar 2017 at 13:34
Encouraging message.

It's so nice to read your positivity and good mood.

You seem to be a great guy, you deserve things going that good.

Congrats on being so and being doing so well.

The best to you,

Lola

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Posted 24 Mar 2017 at 15:22

So happy for you and such an inspiration to others,😀

Viv
X

The only time you should look back is to see how far you have come
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Posted 24 Mar 2017 at 15:22

So happy for you and such an inspiration to others,😀

Viv
X

The only time you should look back is to see how far you have come
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Posted 24 Mar 2017 at 16:31
An inspirational post, well done and thank you
User
Posted 24 Mar 2017 at 16:44

I am just bloody glad you are still here too, George xxx

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 24 Mar 2017 at 16:57
Congratulations, George.

Well deserved.

You help so many people by bringing them together, twice a year and I'm sure that without you I expect many of us would never meet.

Thank you.

Steve

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Posted 24 Mar 2017 at 17:29

Many congrats.. amazing... I read from your profile you had a complete diet change after diagnosis.. did you keep it up.

My husbands PSA was 3.56 ( twice )in Nov 2016 leading up to his diagnosis... This week (pre FLA test) was 2.90

He cut out dairy etc on 1st January 2017 ( also started low dose aspirin with Vitamin D3 per the ADDaspirin trial)

Nochange in plan - 3 consults agree he has a large 3+3 tumour and will need treatment in the next 5 years ..so Monday he is having it treated. 2.90 however would not have had him sent to the urologist...

With a 27 year old son and a family history ( FIL died in June 2016 of PCa) I am super interested in your success story.

Thank you for sharing

 
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