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Posted 17 Jan 2019 at 21:28

I popped on to see how things are with you and Nigel and I’m very surprised to see that you will be taking him home. You honestly never know with this illness, just when you think the fat lady is singing she stops and things change again. on the old forum we used to talk about locking that fat lady in the cellar! Somehow we always kept a sense of humour, even in the worst of times. 

I dread the practical care you are talking of, I'm really bad at that kind of thing and am just hoping that some part of me will just take over when and if that is needed. Its the lack of dignity that bothers me most, it seems wrong between husband and wife but maybe that's just because i haven't faced that yet. John has an SPC so we have lots of pee accidents and we've had a number of nasty laxido based troubles due to terrible constipation problems so maybe that is preparing me. Oh dear! For bettwr, for worse,in sickness and in health and all that.

John had a terrible pain last night, it was in his heel, like a screwdriver boring a hole he said. a referred pain no doubt. i was in the other room babysitting so missed it, he didn't have his morphine and didn't call me. The hospice nurse has advised loading a syringe to keep by the bed (the night bag contraption makes it dangerous to get out of bed at night) and that simple idea made so much sense. I'm glad we have her to help.

i wish you a quiet night, I'll be thinking of you all.

love Devonmaid xxx

 

 

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Posted 17 Jan 2019 at 22:01

Oh Devon maid,  I very quickly put away my feelings about pee and poo when I saw how helpless nigel felt. I think your right, for most people you just go into autopilot and get on with it.

I have found tesco ultra free spirit incontinence pull ups to be the most effective at containing things. £8 per pack of 12 I think. We have a pack of dog poo bags in both toilets and a pack of water wipes as well, these are unscented baby wipes, just water and citric acid I think.  The pull ups tear down the side so there is no need to pull them down and create more mess. After the first few changes, we established a method that was as quick as possible. 

I'm still not cutting his toenails though !!!

I am amazed at his progress, as is everyone around us. If we can just keep things steady we may get a couple more months yet.

Thinking of you too and everyone in this life, may we all find moments of peace.xx

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Posted 18 Jan 2019 at 02:46
Yes, Devonmaid, auto pilot does tend to kick in when you need it to. I am surprised at how many things I can do which I would never have dreamed possible - but it did take me a while to put my practical hat on and work out a system of getting everything done in the most efficient and least stressful way we could. And somehow it is one of the things I can do now as a wife which has a chance of improving my husband's quality of life - at this stage it would be more intrusive if we got carers in, and we would have to work to their schedule not ours. We have learnt to manage the SPC over the last few years, but still have incontinence (of both types) to manage. Managing the pain and the mobility issues are another story. And I don't do wounds and blood well at all!

Kentish - it is wonderful to hear that there has been some improvement for Nigel. It sounds as though you are preparing as best you can for a return home, if and when that is feasible. I too found the most overwhelming thing was having to be responsible again. Even though I was doing most things for my husband while he was in hospital, the thought that there was backup there was a relief. On a more practical note - do you have or will you have a hospital bed at home? We don't use it for sleeping (yet), but my husband can't walk well at all now, so we use a shower commode to shower him, and from there onto the hospital bed so that I can get him dry and clean and change him. A godsend for my back. I watched how the nurses did it in hospital and we learnt the rolling trick - that has helped a lot. We can also raise the height of the bed so that he can use his walker - it is the only time he can do that. We haven't had to use a hoist yet, but that day may come - will one of those be available for you? I'm with you on all the practical things you have set up in the bathroom, but would also add disposable gloves and some hand gel. And I use a double layer of waterproof mattress protector on the bed (I just cut a single one up and place a large piece of that under the regular tuck in one - has saved us on a few occasions). Those slightly plastic backed big tissue like sheet things are handy too (called blueys here).

Since I am obviously coming out of the woodwork a little, I've altered my forum name from that random set of letters I chose a few years ago!

Love to you both.

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Posted 18 Jan 2019 at 08:54
Hello Teacups,

Thank you for the advice, it really helps to know how others cope with this stage/level of care.

Sadly, Nigel is unlikely to be going back upstairs at all so we are having a hospital bed delivered for downstairs. He already requires a lot of care so I have have requested the carers come in to support me.

We are going to have a bath board, for him to sit on if I shower him but again, we might just be washing him in the bed. I will be relying on the beauty of Amazon prime to deliver single sheets and little fleece blankets on next day delivery when and if we get the go ahead to come home.

I have blue gloves, hand gel, wipes but I haven't bought any aprons....I'll add those to my list.

Also, sippy cups, he's back to using proper cups and glasses now but in the night a sippy cup prevents wobbly hands spilling the drink.

No-one seems inclined to scan Nigel for spc presumably because the effort of the scan outweighs any benefit that may be gained from knowing. This is depressing but he's not bothered so I haven't persisted.

Off to the day centre this morning, it's within the hospice so he can go back to bed if he wants but it'll be nice to see something different.

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Posted 18 Jan 2019 at 10:33
I like Teacups much better than random letters!

The system may be a little different in Australia and nothing can be relied on in England anymore but what is supposed to happen is that the NHS palliative care team or hospital / hospice staff liaise with adult social care at the Local Authority to ensure a proper medical bed, commode, anti-bed sore inflators and any other big equipment is provided. I have never been given a hoist because by the time each relative was in the end stage, all care was given on the bed but I know that there are men with SCC who have been loaned a hoist. The occupational therapy and physiotherapy teams should also be consulted.

We had to buy a bath lift and mobility scooter because social care couldn't provide those.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 19 Jan 2019 at 13:57
Thanks Lynn,

The OT and the hospice team have organised a Fast Track Care Package. This includes ordering a bed, recliner chair, walker, small wheelchair and other necessities to be delivered to the home in preparation for Nigel's return.

There are some days where I just cannot comprehend how many thing have gone wrong in terms of administration /communication for us.

I rang the hire company this morning to arrange the delivery date and they haven't got Thursday's request /order......aaaaaaaarrrrrrggggghhhhh

I will have to wait patiently until Monday morning and then find the OT and ask them to request it again.

In yesterday's post was the form the doctor had completed for Nigel's medical exemption certificate, it has been returned for us to sign. I rang them to ask if they had had a covering letter from our gp explaining the error and why Nigel hadn't signed it. They couldn't give me any details but said the gp should have signed it and then explained why they had signed it for the patient.

They requested I scan and email my Power of Attorney, included a covering email explaining why the fine should be cancelled and include the fine reference number etc. This will take 2 -3 working days and then I can phone and discuss his account. OMFG, I am very close to breaking point, these seem like insurmountable barriers. I hate that I'm losing my s**t over what probably seem like small things but they are just 2 more things that I can't seem to get right and noone else seems to be able to do it for me. I'm trying to stay calm but I really want to shout at somebody and tell them how useless they are.

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Posted 19 Jan 2019 at 18:37

Kentish

You are doing a fantastic job looking after your OH, I am sure you will not let the shortcomings of others break your spirit and determination to do the best for your oh. Keep going gal.

Thanks Chris

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Posted 19 Jan 2019 at 18:56
Thanks Chris, a couple of friends came to visit and let me vent, the air was blue!! I'm at home now contemplating whether it is too early to go to bed (6.55pm) :)
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Posted 20 Jan 2019 at 01:41
Kentish, I should know this but have you applied for PIP from the DWP? I think N is probably entitled to it under terminal rules.
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 20 Jan 2019 at 06:03
Aaaargh indeed Kentish. When you are trying to keep all those plates spinning in the air you don't need anyone else to not follow through properly. No wonder the air was blue - but glad to hear you had some friends to unload on. It makes a difference (as I find does furiously typing an email to a friend - the speed seems to help). I should refrain from mentioning that the consumption of ice cream, or pehaps chocolate assists me, but not my waistline.

How has N been? Did you get to the day centre successfully? And did you ever get to the bottom of the PSA figure you were being given and what the previous ones where?

And Lyn - thanks, yes a much better name. And yes, as with most things we have similarities and differences in treatment options (Radium 223 not yet funded here), scanning (yes, PSMAs available, but not funded), palliative care options. All complicated by questions of whether you use the mostly excellent public system or use your health insurance and the private system, and sometimes fall in the gap between the two.

Hope you've had a trouble free weekend, Kentish, and that I all concerned pull their fingers out on Monday and get it sorted. As others have said before me, you are a star.

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Posted 20 Jan 2019 at 11:51

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
I should refrain from mentioning that the consumption of ice cream, or perhaps chocolate assists me, but not my waistline.

 

I find chain smoking helps without affecting my weight but it tends not to be a very acceptable solution these days.  

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 20 Jan 2019 at 12:11

Its almost unbelievable how these admin things can be so difficult to resolve. the lack of compassion also seems impossible to bear. I dont know if the macmillan nurses could offer to help here, I’m pretty sure that they can help with a lot of the admin type burdens. They really are the straw that breaks the camel’s back.

i too am glad that you have good friends you can offload too, i genuinely think it makes all the difference. I have been thinking about you this weekend, especially as my hubby has been poorly. I can’t wait for tomorow to come and a new treatment to start. The fast deterioration is frightening to watch.   

Sending you love and hugs and to Teapot too xxx

Devonmaid xxx

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Posted 20 Jan 2019 at 13:08
Thank you ladies,

Lynn, N qualified for the higher rate back in August 2017, that was when the cock up of his paperwork not being passed on to the specialist nurses was discovered. I fought hard for it when at diagnosis he had actually qualified for the ds1500 but no one had done it. An omen of administration errors to come I think!

Teacups,

We made it to the day room, did some armchair exercises to music, N's face😂 "wtf"....we stayed for about 30 mins and then he'd had enough but it was nice to do something different.

The consultants come around on a Tuesday, so I'll have to wait for the psa question to be answered then. Any opinions on such a fast climb if I'm correct?

N remains about the same, eating a little bit, drinking plenty, enjoying his morning and afternoon coffees enormously. He's able to sit himself completely upright in bed and with a walker can do a few steps. His legs are very unsteady and it totally wears him out so he'd rather just get in to the wheelchair and be pushed around.

Devon maid,

I am going to ask the welfare team at the hospice to help me in the morning with the prescription penalty issue, it's just sods law that it's always the weekend when things don't go to plan isn't it!

I have come home for a few hours to move the furniture around, N is able to use his phone again and said when he wakes up from his afternoon nap he'll ring me. I have an army of friends and family helping, sometimes too many!!!! But it makes me realise how much everybody wants to help and that I should let them. They can't do the stupid administration for me but they can do so much else.

Xx

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Posted 21 Jan 2019 at 20:28
N had a relatively good night, needed his catheter flushed at around 5 am which wasn't nice and the nurses have decide it needs to be done at 9am and 5pm everyday regardless to keep it clear of clots.

One thing they can't do in the hospice is use the big syringe to push saline into the bladder and then pull clots out, I am going to ask tomorrow if this is a bookable procedure at the urology dept as it may require doing shortly and I don't want to take him in through a&e again, ever.

Bed etc is arranged for delivery on Wednesday, bloods taken today, results probably tomorrow and possibly discharged Thursday. I asked N to insist that he didn't leave on a Friday, I am so anxious about taking him home already and I don't think I can cope with it being the weekend too. He looked confused when I asked him but when I explained that I was worried we'd get home and if he didn't feel well everyone would have gone for the weekend (there's a skeleton crew at the hospice on weekends) and I would have to rely on district nurses who may not be able to resolve the issue and would ring an ambulance he agreed that possibly Friday was not a good idea. It may sound irrational to some but when every crisis has been at the weekend I feel too stressed to start our return on the Friday.

N had a goodish day, enjoyed sausage and mash for lunch and a chocolate biscuit for tea, got into the wheelchair and used the walker a little bit too.

Didn't want me to stay again, so third night in a row at home.

But oh my days, the 15 year old has got nits!!!!!!

She is horrified, ranting about disgusting people on the bus, so instead of an early night, I spent an hour with the nit comb😅. Sometimes I wonder if I did something bad in a former life, we also had another prescription fine in the post today, welfare lady doesn't work Mondays so I will talk to her tomorrow.

I'm keeping my chin up but the swearing is really bad.....

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Posted 21 Jan 2019 at 21:43

Ah weekends, they are just a big worry for sick people. so far our bete noir has been New Year’s Eves, 3 horrors so far in this journey, ghastly experiences mainly. But many more weekends in a year than NYEs! I think you are very wise to take that precaution. I went up to the hospital pharmacy today to collect the enzalutimide and they swore they hadn't received it. We were sent home to await a call that never came. I rang oncology in the end and of course, it was in pharamcy, I went back and the while thing started again. sigh. I did manage to get the meds in the end but what a palaver. The queue was out of the door too, i think I've got a brownie badge in waiting patiently now.

OMG, the nits! I remember getting them at school and wanting to poor boiling water over my head,luckily my brother stopped my lunacy. Disgusting things. You poor daughter. As if you haven't enough to deal with.

I hope things go well for you both for the move home, I feel your trepidation from here and am not surprised, it must be so scary for you. 

Sending love

Devonmaid xxx

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Posted 21 Jan 2019 at 22:29

Devon maid, I feel your very British patience being tried😁😁. 

I decided tonight that if they want him to come home Friday I am going to speak with my feet and leave. I don't think any amount of support can combat my anxiety over friday nights and I'll just be worried sick all weekend which won't be nice for anyone (I get very shouty/snappy/irrational).

I feel I have mostly coped up until this point but I admit I am struggling.

I'm really dreading the next time I have to go to the gp's or the chemist to collect prescriptions. Your dance back and forth today sums up the experiences of many.

I hope the Enzo is effective quickly, fingers crossed for a swift improvement for hubby xx

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Posted 22 Jan 2019 at 01:20

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

I find chain smoking helps without affecting my weight but it tends not to be a very acceptable solution these days.  

 

Lyn, if I was any good with emojis I would post the appropriate one here, but I'm not, so I will leave it to your imagination.

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Posted 22 Jan 2019 at 01:39
Kentish, not taking him home on a Friday sounds like an excellent plan. Anything that will go wrong will inevitably happen on a weekend, long weekend, public holiday, Christmas, Easter. And I know where you are coming from with the anxiety about bringing N home, and the effect that has on the snappyness/irritability front. I am most likely to lose the plot when I am anxious about H's state of health and my ability to cope with it, and this is usually much worse if we add in extreme tiredeness and frustration over a period of time. Then it is tears all round.

You have had so much to deal with with all these bladder/clots/catheter issues - it must be a nightmare. Although H has had a catheter (SPC) for a long time we thankfully haven't had these problems. We did however have a short spell where the balloons burst and the catheter dropped out, so we had to make quick trips to Emergency. One of the kind nurses did suggest that I learnt to put one in, but I wasn't having that!

I did laugh at your description of your visit to the day centre. Exercises to music - the face on my H would have been a sight too (and we probably would have wheeled around and reversed straight out). His nightmare scenario though woud have been if there was any mention of bingo.

I have been heartened by your descriptions of the improvement in appetite for N, using the chair and the walker, and the increased awareness, and the ability to use his phone. All of these sound like really good signs, and I must admit brought a tear to my eye. We seem to have reached a nice plateau in the past couple of weeks, which is much better than we were a few months ago, and it is lovely while we have it.

But yes, it is a struggle, isn't it. And no matter how much support you have from family and friends, it is a very lonely business. Wishing you a few peaceful days to set you up for the return home, with no extra dramas or frustrations (and no more nits, of my goodness).

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Posted 22 Jan 2019 at 16:36
I dread the thought of a catheter falling out! The nurses are going to show me how to do "bladder maintenence " and I will do this morning and night with N. I am confident I can do that but if there are any clots that cause more problems then it will be district nurses or hospital.

Everything is still progressing towards a move home. Thursday is the chosen day :). Still waiting for blood test to come back today but as he's been stable if not a little better over the weekend then they aren't expecting anything to be much worse.

We had an onco appointment booked for 28/1/19, as he is returning home they want me to contact onco to see what they would like N to do, if anything. It's unlikely that the Abiraterone will restart but you never know eh?

We had a long list of questions about the transition and how to come back to the hospice if necessary, the lovely nurses and doctors took their time to answer every one and make me feel more confident that we are supported when we go.

N is going home by wheelchair transport, he is booked in for a review at the hospice in 2 weeks to see how things are going and has been referred to the wellbeing and therapy centre (day hospice) for an 8 week programme, which just means we go every Friday and waggle our hands at some music, natter and although there isn't Bingo 😄 there is a quiz! It's all about keeping in contact with the hospice so they can monitor N and help when we need it.

Lots of deliveries due tomorrow so I've come home to clear up (again) :)

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Posted 22 Jan 2019 at 17:24

Kentish

I have had a catheter in my bladder numerous times that equate to about two and a half years, despite pulling on the catheter a few times I have never had one fall out, when changing my catheter there is sometimes only 2 of the original 8 ml of water left in the balloon. As long as the catheter is correctly fastened to the thigh strap there should be no concerns, the secondary strap should be in the "Y" of the catheter.

Probably to simple to be the answer to the blocking but is N's  bag below the level of his bladder. I drink around three hundred ml of water last thing at night and produce between 500 and 1200 ml of urine overnight. Constipation can also be a cause of catheter blocking. Keep up the good work.

Thanks Chris

 
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