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Posted 13 Jan 2019 at 23:15

Hi Kentish

just wanted to send you a hug and i hope you are managing to get some rest. I am praying things continue to go well xxx

Debbie xxx
User
Posted 13 Jan 2019 at 23:27

Hi Kentish, as Lyn says not an easy read but it is a very clear, loving, detailed diary.

I have been with friends in hospice care and relate so much to how you describe what is happening. 

Sending you, Nigel and the children hugs and much love.

Ian

Ido4

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Posted 13 Jan 2019 at 23:59
Thank you folks, I'd hit a rough patch where I couldn't compartmentalise very well, a numbness took over and I could only manage the bare minimum as wife/nurse/mother. I have a wonderful support network but you've got to let them do it! I'm getting better at asking for help, accepting offers and relying on others to do "stuff". This is really hard to do when I have been let down by those who should be managing Nigel.

1) letter in the post, prescription penalty notice for claiming a prescription without a valid exemption certificate. Turns out, neither the chemist nor the gp actually filled out the forms in 2017...they both assured me it would be dealt with at his diagnosis and as we've only used our local chemist who knows us well, I've never been asked for the certificate number. I have left this with the gp to sort out....absolutely not clearing up that f*****g mess.

2)Friday, phone call from the Oncology clinic to do Nigels telephone assessment for the next round of Abiraterone. We saw Nigel's specialist nurse on the Thursday before he was transferred to the hospice, she cried, upset that Nigel has been dealt such a shitty hand of pca. I did feel brave enough to say that i didnt think they had dealt with the aggressive nature very well in that they didnt act until it was another crisis. She said she would cancel his next appointment and his review which is due in a couple of weeks as it was obvious he wouldn't be attending. She clearly didn't manage to remember to do it and I'm sorry to say that the nurse on the end of the phone bore my anger and despair at the incompetence of the specialist nurse.

Just 2 more things that make a crap situation harder.

User
Posted 14 Jan 2019 at 00:46

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
Such a hard read and brings back similar memories. I don’t think you should apologise for posting how it is, or feel responsible for the impact it has on others. We do no service to anyone by pretending that stage 4 cancer is easy or tidy when it is sad and messy and traumatic and heart breaking for everyone involved. You are doing a fantastic job of holding it together and your family sounds amazing.

You and Devonmaid can have half the comfort blanket each.

 

I don't post much, Lyn puts it so much better than I can. I am in the early stages of what you are going through (my OH has bone mets), all this is totally new to me, not used to dealing with hospitals etc. and don't have much family around. Your posts have been invaluable to me, I don't know how you manage to post such goood information at such a time, but it is very much appreciated! It must be really hard for you.

I hope I can cope even half as well as you when my OH reaches this stage.

I really wish I could send more than a cyber hug, but it will have to suffice.

Look after yourself and know you have the support of everyone on here, even the ones who don't post, sometimes the words are hard to find.

Edited by member 14 Jan 2019 at 02:50  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 14 Jan 2019 at 01:39

Dear, darling Kentish,

I am sending all of you the biggest hug. I think you and your husband are amazing. You give me support like you wouldn’t believe. I only hope that I will be as brave as you when...

I still can’t bring myself to log information about my bloke’s test results on here. Everyone else has questions about treatment and prognosis. Whereas I’m petrified to  find out. His PSA was >6000 last June at diagnosis. That’s the first time I’ve ’revealed’ that! I bury my head in the sand and carry on regardless. Like you and your husband, we chat and laugh a lot. Cry a bit too. We write letters to each other and spend as much time as we can together. 

We too have talked about end of life and where Laurence will be. Our lad is 14 and so we too have decided that our home isn’t right for us and that it would be so hard for our son. He doesn’t know that his Dad’s cancer is stage 4. I am trying to pull the rug out from under him as gently as I can.  Laurence has had a bed in the living room since coming home from hospital in June but a hospice will hopefully  offer better care. 

Gosh, I’ve rambled on! Sorry. Insomnia is a bugger. This is my time to be alone. To be angry, distraught and howl to the moon. Sorry if I’ve been insensitive. I have had a single shot of brandy in a coffee and it has gone straight to my emotions! 

I send remarkable you, your warrior husband and  precious children, love and peace ❣️

Vicky xx 

Broken crayons still colour 

User
Posted 14 Jan 2019 at 04:02
Dear Kentish,

I also don't post much, but I did want to send hugs from across the world. We are not at your stage (yet), but we are in the realm of no more treatment, PSA rising, pelvic fractures and pain and reduced mobility. I am one of those people who is better having an awareness of things in advance so I do get comfort from reading the stories of how others cope with all of this.

I do so admire your spirit, and I understand a little of how frustrating it is trying to navigate these systems, find out information and get action to make our husbands as comfortable as possible. And all the while try to keep putting one foot in front of the other. I'm a quilter, so by the magic of the internet the comfort blanket has been halved, some extra added, and is hopefully now residing with you and Devonmaid.

Love to you, your husband, and your children.

User
Posted 14 Jan 2019 at 08:22

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
Sunday 13th January . Long may this plateau last.!!!

I really hope this is the case for you lovely people. Just wanted to say that my thoughts are with you at this time.

Like others have said I wish we could give you real hugs. 

Ann xxx

User
Posted 14 Jan 2019 at 10:51

Dear Kentish

thank you for posting this, i do think the reality is important for many of us who have to face it. We know it isn't going to be sweetness and light but my imagination can and does run riot. I have been through the mill this last month but  John is improving for some reason (thank god), he is still having hideous pain but he is moving about more now. i do wonder if what the specialist nurse said to me has made him get up and make a supreme effort so that he gets treatment .

Your husband is truly amazing, and your children are so impressive. You are a special lady, i know something of what this takes out of you and yet, we keep going.

i send you my love.

Devonmaid xxxx

 

 

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Posted 14 Jan 2019 at 11:07

Thank you Kita, 

I had a chat with the hospice social worker this week and something she said stuck in my mind about how I am coping with the situation :

"You are doing at the moment and there will be time for being later."

She is quite right, there are times I cry so hard I can't breathe but most of the time I just work my way through the day as best I can in the knowledge that one day it will be different and I will have to fully embrace the pain in order to move forward with it.

Vicky, having youngish children makes it different, as a parent, you want to protect them from the nasty side of life. I've tried to remember how sad I felt at 29 to lose my dad so suddenly and to work out what would have made it easier to cope with. For me and the children that is being informed, there is a brilliant booklet from Macmillan about talking to teenagers and children and it also deals with when a parent is terminal. I've read it over and over and feel I am prepared to have the conversations when they arise.

When Nigel was admitted to hospital at the beginning of December for the low sodium, I sat the children down and began with. "There is never a good time to have this conversation so we are just going to have it now." I then told them that any infection dad had could be the one that he wouldn't be able to get over or that the hospital wouldn't be able to control one of the many things that were  failing and that it would be this that would cause dad to die. We sat and hugged/cried for a while and then my daughter turned the TV on, my son resumed browsing instagram and I went and washed up.

I don't ask them to "be brave/strong" or anything like that, nothing is forced, if they are sad they can be sad. Letting them have their space to process is important but then we carry on with normal stuff..."tidy your room, wash the dishes, bring the cups down!"

I can only hope I am getting it right and only time will tell. Everyone is different, it's good to ask for support even if that's out of your comfort zone as it may help you find a path through this.

Devon maid,  

I read your posts and really felt for you, the hospice have been great in making Nigel comfortable and in answering questions about how this horrible disease progresses at end of life.

Keeping on top of imagination is a struggle, the smallest thing can be blown totally out of proportion. I have reached the acceptance stage of grief, but little dribbles of denial and hope still creep in, I think that's inevitable. Nigel thought he might come home for an hour in a wheelchair cab today but after having a wash he is fast asleep again and unlikely to manage it. One the one hand this feels like improvement but on the other I can see it takes enormous effort for him to do anything and this is not improvement. 

Stau and Peggles,  thank you for the support. Your kind words are much appreciated.xx

User
Posted 14 Jan 2019 at 12:19

Oh Kentish.   I really do feel for you.  You are both so young too. On 16th  January it will be a year since we lost dad so this time last year we were going through the same as you and your children. It's heartbreaking.  I've no words of advice. Just wanted to send love and support your way x

User
Posted 14 Jan 2019 at 13:39
Love and strength sent your way. An awful disease at the best of times , but perhaps worse and sadder for the younger of us with young children also. Best wishes and hopes for you all xx

If life gives you lemons , then make lemonade

User
Posted 14 Jan 2019 at 18:45
Thank you Scabby cat, losing your dad over such a short period is really hard. Sending love and hugs across the ether. Xx
User
Posted 14 Jan 2019 at 20:52

Yes Chris, having youngish children certainly puts  a different perspective on life and cancer, it feels so wrong that they are losing their dad already and that they'll not have him there for all those "important" milestones. It has certainly lent a frantic feeling to approaching each treatment, really desperately hoping that this one will last. I hope we've disguised the desperation from the children and instead given off an air of "living life" regardless of pca. I admire your attitude and determination and I understand your reluctance to embark on what can sometimes seem a futile journey. I have everything crossed for you that each and every treatment will knock your pca back as it should. Big hugs and love to your family. Xx

User
Posted 14 Jan 2019 at 23:36
Monday 14th January

A good day but not a great day. Nigel managed to eat a few biscuits and a little bit of scrambled egg, he also managed a small chocolate ensure milkshake. But he slept most of the day, he looks so tired.

The hospice doctor agreed he needs to be reviewed and is contacting onco to see what their opinion is on continuing Abi. This is mostly due to what seems to be a recovery from sepsis, pancreatitis and stage 3 kidney failure. Nigel is obviously very weak but perhaps there is more time than we think. We will have a family meeting sometime this week to discuss what happens going forward.

Nigel had to have a full body wash this morning because his bowels opened with very little notice and it is very liquidy in order to reduce his pain on passing the stool, I do this with a nurse/orderly and it took us around 35 mins to get him clean and settled. He was so worn out afterwards he couldn't even manage to get in the chair. He's hoping that tomorrow won't be so messy and we'll be able to have coffee in the kitchen together. I've never taken such an interest in bodily functions, And I can't believe how often I discuss them 😁

User
Posted 15 Jan 2019 at 21:09
Tuesday 15th January

A pretty good day. I didn't stay last night at the hospice but I went back at 7.45 am after dropping daughter at the bus stop. I made us a cup of coffee and we chatted for a bit. Then I made some porridge, they have perfectly good porridge in the hospice but it needs to be when the moment takes him, which is never on their schedule! We shared the porridge and then he sat in the chair for a bit. We had visitors coming from a while away so he went back to bed until just before they arrived and then he got into the wheelchair. He had to go back to bed to open his bowels and this is still causing blood to come down the side of the catheter, there is no blood visible in his urine though.

Review with consultant : bloods to be taken to look at kidney function and Psa. Depending on the results he may start taking the Abiraterone again. A family meeting booked for Thursday to discuss the options around returning home. Nigel sounds so "normal" this evening, it's such a difference to last week. The consultant was also pleased at his progress and apparent recovery.

I've come home again this evening to chivvy the kids...6 piles of washing and chaos in their rooms. I feel more able to pop backwards and forwards now, I'll leave him to sleep for a bit and go home and do boring stuff.

User
Posted 15 Jan 2019 at 22:39
Your hospice sounds fab; the one where my mum was is held up by the community as a place of saints, local people raise millions of £ to keep it going and everyone says how wonderful it is. I on the other hand really struggled with their schedules. Mum ate so little and getting her to drink anything was a battle so when she fancied a cup of hot chocolate and I was told 'no' because she had missed the trolley, I lost the plot. It ended up with me 'kidnapping' her from the hospice with the aid of a private ambulance and, eventually, the support of the district nursing team and adult social care service.

For me it was probably as much about choice and flexibility as about dignity and respect and although caring for someone at home in the end stages is not for everyone I have now done it a number of times and feel that with the right support it is the best way for us as a family.

Has anyone put the bins out yet?

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 16 Jan 2019 at 13:33

Ha Lynn! Those pesky bins, my mum has been getting the Boy to empty them and then carry them down to her house (just along the road) and then she puts them out with hers in the morning!

Whatever works eh?

I was just going to post a midday update as we've had a family meeting. Bloods have been taken and the consensus is that if he is medically stable, i. e sodium etc are not in the danger zones, then we are planning his return home! I can barely contain my excitement....I know he's still really poorly but it's like we've had a reprieve and that perhaps now it may be a more steady slope than the Base jumping we've been doing.

Occupational therapists have been making  lists for me of measurements required and are going to try and get his legs moving again.

We talked about if he is not stable and agreed that the hospice is a good place to stay and we will just carry on as we are. I have popped home for an hour to do the washing and read the post etc.

Our hospice is 75% NHS and 25%charitable donations. According to their website they need to raise 600000 a year to sustain it. The staff are all for family pitching in to help with washing and personal care, and I can go and make a cup of tea/cofree etc when I like and bring it around to him. There is also a microwave and toaster and fridge, which makes it easy to take our own food in and reheat.

But today he has eaten my porridge, 2 biscuits and their sausage and mash followed  by ginger cake and custard. Plus 3 cups of coffee.  His appetite, taste buds and sense of smell appear to be returning, a bit of me hopes that if they restart the Abiraterone it doesn't mean they disappear again. 

He's having a nap now and the kids are coming up for dinner, I think we're back to "making the most of it"

User
Posted 16 Jan 2019 at 15:16

Kentish, I’ve been reading through your story (as until recently I’d taken a much needed break from the forum), you have been through such a traumatic time with this illness and have handled it with such an amazing calmness and sense of love and patience.  Having young children must make the whole experience even more difficult, mine are in their early thirties and they are incrediby upset and sad to see their beloved dad so poorly, yours must be finding this so tough. Talking to our specialist nurse today I said that we are better at coping at the known than the unknown and this is certainly  how i have found it over the years that we have lived with the illness. I am a practical soul and if i can do something practical, then i can usually cope.  The other thing that keeps me going is hope. i feel so much better for having some hope, i know it can't last but for today, I have it. I hope you do too.

hugs to you and your lovely family 

Devonmaid xxxx 

User
Posted 16 Jan 2019 at 16:03

Devon maid, 

Hope can be found in so many places, mine varies from hope he will be here longer, hope that he won't when he's suffering, hope they can ease his pain, hope that this balance we now have will last just a little while longer. I don't hope for the big things anymore, for me it is soul destroying to have Nigel's treatments fail so quickly one after the other so like you I go with what is realistic and practical. I've just helped the nurse clean and change nigel, taking the lead so I can do this quickly and efficiently when and if we go home. I am young and fit and I want to look after him as best I can to make life as nice as possible. I also want to show the children how resilient we can be, I often feel the sentiment "fake it until you make it" if I keep doing it,  it just becomes the new normal and then it's not so worrisome. 

I too had a break as I felt there was little I could offer in terms of support to those still in treatment or the newly diagnosed. I didn't want to scare or make miserable people looking for hope and reassurance. But actually, Lynn is right, the more we share our stories the better prepared people can be for what sometimes lies ahead. I know I spent a long time looking at the stories of those who have already passed to see how they coped with what this disease can throw at your partner. I wanted to be for armed with knowledge so it wouldn't be so frightening and if I'm not frightened then neither Nigel or the kids will be.

I am glad we didn't hide Nigel's incurable at diagnosis status from the children as I think this has allowed them to actively grieve as we've gone along. The Boy has found this harder to do I think than the Girl but they are both moving forward, sometimes a bit slower than usual. Perhaps being younger they have a more optimistic outlook than we do as adults and of course, being teenagers they are beautifully self centered ! I think this is an armour in itself.

I hope the new treatment is successful and brings a new lease for hubby. Love and hugs xx

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Posted 17 Jan 2019 at 11:43
Thursday 17th January

Results of blood test are low potassium levels and a psa of 235. Sodium stable at 134. Kidney function back up to 67%

I exclaimed to the consultant, crikey that's a climb in psa and he said that it wasn't usual for the psa to jump this high after stopping Abiraterone for just 3 weeks. I said that I had been told his psa had been consistently around the 30's for several weeks and he looked surprised. I asked him to double check that this was the case, not that it makes any difference really, the outcome would be the same. Nigel is not to restart the Abiraterone but is to start a potassium supplement. They will do this over the next few days and do another blood test next week. They are moving forward with a return to the home plan anyway.

Nigel managed to use a walker today and take a few steps. We had a rubbish night in the hospice, a noisy neighbour who had his TV on all night and kept turning it up even when the nurse turned it down/off. So both of us are exhausted, Nigel is fast asleep now it is quieter and I'm going to sleep at home tonight.

I'm pleased we are still moving forward but a little scared of being responsible for him again.

 
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