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Posted 11 Dec 2018 at 00:11
I missed your previous post somehow, sorry. I get the ‘don’t scare the kids’ thing but I had pre-cancerous cervical cells at 18 and had to have some of my cervix removed so was obviously really anxious for my girls and banged on and on about them being checked as soon as they were old enough. My mum’s cervical cancer was spotted as a result of my diagnosis. Even with the family history, they could not get cervical smears until they were 24 - it was ridiculous. Two were clear, one has close monitoring now. I had part of a breast removed in my 30s but there is no breast cancer in the family, just the brain tumour which pops up all over the genogram.
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 11 Dec 2018 at 00:36
Lynn, I had a reply from RM which was to "ask gp for a referral "😄 so back to the start.

I will definitely be more explicit about the risks of cancer with the kids but I feel that now is not the right time, it's already scary and sad in our house and I don't think I ought to add to that just now.

I have always banged on about the smoking and the risks ever since I thought they would understand and possibly want to try it (I started when I was 11) and I hope they never do.

I openly discuss smear tests etc indoors, much to their embarrassment 😂 but son should be aware as he has a girlfriend and daughter needs to be prepared if she has sex at a young age (15 at the moment but such a baby still) There isn't a Jade Goody for their generation to keep it in the media.

It's hard to get the balance right of "cloud of doom" hanging over them and "understanding the risks and acting accordingly" I'll need to think it through and pick a suitable opening, or make one. There's never a good time but some are better than others.

X

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Posted 11 Dec 2018 at 07:37
I couldn't agree more.

The HPV immunisation programme should make a massive difference to that generation, and young society generally has a good grasp on implications of smoking, substance misuse, etc. What I think we need is more rapid progress on healthy eating as a cancer prevention tool ... Jamie Oliver and his like have begun a sea change in school dinners & health curriculum but a general principle of less processed foods and more fresh ingredients, benefits of mediterranean diet, etc can be done without being scary.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 16 Dec 2018 at 12:38
The days I don't update tend to be the good ones, I don't like to tempt fate by revelling in oh's chipperness (not sure that's a word) or when we do something celebratory.

So I found it quite difficult to actually post the comments about going out at the weekend and the things to look forward to during the week.

I'm sure many others write and delete posts all the time because it's just too hard. We made it to his workplace but it was only half an hour before he'd had enough and then the week went downhill from there really.

We've just got back from an overnighter in A&E due to the low sodium and a possible urine infection, again.

6th December Sodium 128 yay

12th December Sodium 122 rats

15th December Sodium 112 omfg!

Today it's back up a couple of points to 114 and he has been discharged.

We'll go back to an Ambulatory Clinic in the morning to see if it's improved further or not.

The drop coincides with trying the desmopressin again so advice is not to bother with drugs for the SIADH but to continue with fluid restriction indefinitely 😕 poor oh, today he's only allowed a litre, yep 1ltr.

We ended up in a&e because his blood test results marked urgent on Friday were not back on Friday and when they did come through, weren't "viable". Doctor on call came out to review oh and decided an ambulance was required.

Other than changing his omeprozole (which can reduce sodium, well prescribed there urology!) for an antacid that doesn't; there wasn't any benefit to last night.

Fed up, tired and very, very grumpy :(

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Posted 17 Dec 2018 at 09:10
Hope you get a decent Xmas Kentish you are a star..
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Posted 17 Dec 2018 at 19:01
Ffs, I'm either going to punch someone or lay on the floor and wail.

9.30 Entered Ambulatory Clinic (basically means a walk in clinic, no fixed appointments )

10.30 Blood taken

4.00pm seen by Doctor and consultant to discuss results.

The blood sample results were delayed (no reason given) and when I eventually cried and said how cruel it was to keep someone in a chair for 6 hours when he spends around 15 hours laying down usually a nurse tried harder to get the doctor to come (ringing and paging them)

If we'd known it was going to be all day we could have been prepared, gel cushion, pillows, blanket, nibbles etc.

I always have biscuits and crisps and water but he was so uncomfortable in the chair 😠.

Outcome of today: Sodium still dangerously low and needs close monitoring. Oh has to stay on 1ltr fluid restriction and has been prescribed demeclocycline to try.

Got to go back to the clinic on Wednesday for monitoring, Acute Oncology review and Endocrine team review. I asked a nurse what would be the best time to come back on Wednesday and she was so bloody awkward !

Ending our conversation on "I don't want to promise anything, you could be here all day, there's no good time where you'll be seen quicker."

I replied with "I just wanted to know if there was a better time than others to bring in a terminal patient who spends most of the day in bed." And then I cried, again. Nurse was duly embarrassed and apologetic and tried to find out from the doctor if there was any other way we could have the reviews, there isn't.

Bloody minded staff is the last thing I needed today, if you can be nice after you've upset someone then you could have been nice in the first place.

On the upside: Abiraterone dispensed for another 4 weeks so there must still be some benefit.

Psa has been around the mid 30's for the last few weeks. Don't know the rest of the numbers and can't be bothered justifying to nurses/doctors why I want to know. I'm sure for lots of people , carers or patients, just knowing the numbers is a comfort, it doesn't really matter if they are worse.

Need to call urology tomorrow as oh is only dribbling pee and he's bleeding a lot when he goes, may need a bladder flush and a catheter again.

Love him, he's still choosing to be treated and says things like "once we've got on top of this it'll be a bit better."

OK, calmed down now...thank you for listening xx

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Posted 19 Dec 2018 at 20:46
Spoke to urology nurse yesterday to ask how oh goes about having a catheter put back in and the pros and cons of this. Good conversation where oh's "comfort" was the prime objective. Booked in for today's clinic to have a catheter fitted and take it from there.

Back to Ambulatory Clinic this morning:

Sodium 120 whoop whoop

Creatinine etc all within normal range so that was good.

Doctor was good at explaining and listening and rang the Endocrine consultant and put him on speakerphone for us all to listen to the questions and answers. Requested oh to do a 9 am cortisol blood test tomorrow morning. I gather this is to narrow down the reasons for the hyponatremia /siadh further.

Oh to stay on 1.2ltr fluid restriction and the demeclocycline. To be reviewed next week and then monitored by gp.

A little ray of sunshine🌈

Urology clinic: size 16 catheter placed by nurse. Oh coped admirably considering how much pain he has in his penis. A 5ml top up of morphine before hand was a good idea!

Immediate relief from the stress of having to urinate through a very sore urethra, very concentrated urine that stung so bad.

A couple of bladder spasms, I have requested gp to look at the looooong list of medications and check whether he can go back on the solifenacin to help with this.

Oh feeling positive about today's outcomes, I am absolutely exhausted and going to bed now.

I've had a little Google about the cortisol query but until he has his results as to whether it is elevated, we won't know the relevance.

Xx

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Posted 20 Dec 2018 at 01:54

Hi,

just want to send you a hug. I think you’re bloody marvellous : ) xx  

Broken crayons still colour 

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Posted 20 Dec 2018 at 13:19

Thank you for the hug Vicky, 

Up early for blood test this morning and results should be back with gp tomorrow  (one can live in hope!)

Good night with the catheter,  some spasms but the nurse taught him some breathing techniques,  one to help the spasm pass and one to help with the urge to urinate. Just waiting for gp to confirm whether to start Solifenacin again.

There's a cafe at the clinic, we stayed and had breakfast after blood test, egg and beans on toast for him, sausage sandwich for me. It was lovely to be out of the hospital and house, for both of us.

He's been asleep for the last 2 hours, kids are buzzing round (finished school yesterday) and I'm getting on with the marmite whirls and cheese straws for boxing day. Sun is shining. :)

How are you guys getting on? Xxx

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Posted 23 Dec 2018 at 23:23

Sorry Kentish, we went off to Gambia for some much needed sun. I am so sorry that I didn't respond to your posts and also that none of the other regulars responded to give you any kind of hugs like Vick did. It may be it's just because no-one has really had quite the challenges & problems that you are facing but that shouldn't stop us all from giving you a bit of emotional support - Franci is right that you are a star.

Now though, I don't really know what to say to you - not sure I could ever be okay with someone who makes Marmite flavoured stuff for pleasure :-/ 

Edited by member 23 Dec 2018 at 23:25  | Reason: Not specified

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 23 Dec 2018 at 23:24
Vick, I love your 'broken crayon' analogy.
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 24 Dec 2018 at 07:09
So sorry Kentish but selfishly been wrapped up in my own pre Xmas results and having to wait till the New Year to see what treatment plan is. You’ve been through so much and I admire you both immensely. I’ve missed a lot of posts recently as it can take over your life tbh and keep you depressed which is not good for ones soul. Hope Xmas goes as well as can be

If life gives you lemons , then make lemonade

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Posted 24 Dec 2018 at 15:32

As others have said Kentish you are a star and you are trying to make sure hubby is as comfortable as possible plus getting the right treatment.

A virtual hug from me to you both. Sorry i didn’t reply earlier. I must confess i only visit this section from time to time.

Ian

Ido4

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Posted 25 Dec 2018 at 00:25

Thank you for your replies. I'll be honest and say that this is a very lonely place sometimes, I check in most days but feel I have nothing to contribute other than sadness. As each new poster comes on looking for hope, I think it best to keep our story to ourselves, there's nothing inspiring or optimistic for me to say.

I wish you all a peaceful Christmas and positive 2019

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Posted 25 Dec 2018 at 08:48

Hi Kentish 

I don't have much to say these days as my journey just continues and I can't be of much help to anyone really. I have followed your journey and may I say that you come across as a remarkable person who is giving her all to help her oh through a terrible experience. You tell things as they are and explain what, how and why various treatments are being used which has to be invaluable to others who may be reading without comment. This site is such a helpful resource thanks to people like you who share information truthfully as some experiences offer hope while others help to prepare for what ordeals may lie ahead. The other thing that the site offers is the chance to unburden your feelings which for the partners has to be positive, particularly for those in your situation. I am sure that you have and continue to help others every time you post and equally I hope that you feel the support for you and your OH. 

I wish you and your family a peaceful Christmas and New Year.

Love to you all

Kevan 

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Posted 25 Dec 2018 at 22:36

Thank you Kevan.  Best wishes for the future.

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Posted 26 Dec 2018 at 08:41
Even though your OH disease progression is relentless the support you are giving him is inspiring and gives hope to all of us Kentish.

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Posted 13 Jan 2019 at 19:54
This is a looong post. Nigel is still here.

Instead of updating regularly, I started to keep a sort of diary. I stopped uploading as I was too depressed to properly acknowledge the love and support you all give, I think I’d begun to sound resentful and bitter. I don’t like to comment on new stage 4 posters as when they look at Nigel’s profile there is very little to offer hope and positivity and his membership of this special group has been fraught for some time. I have had a lot of support to help me get through the last few weeks and although I’m still sad I no longer feel in the depths of depression. What follows is the diary I have been keeping up until today.

After Boxing Day, Nigel became too fatigued to eat or get up to use the bathroom. He mostly just slept. He had a blood test on the 27th December which showed that his sodium had reached normal levels but his kidneys were failing. He was able to drink as he pleased but was too tired to make the most of it and by 30th December was taking very little fluid in. Nigel was sick twice on the 30th and the District nurses came out to him both times, the first time they gave him an anti-emetic and the second time they did observations and found his blood pressure to be something like 75/56, extremely low and an indicator of sepsis. The paramedics were called and it took nearly 2 hours to get Nigel downstairs and into the ambulance as his blood pressure kept falling every time they tried to move him, our stairs were too narrow for a stretcher so they had to get him into a chair to carry him down.

We got to A&E at around 4 on Monday morning and he was treated as if he had sepsis while they waited for blood results. He had a Ct scan and was given antibiotics and saline fluid. Nigel had a uti and this had developed into urosepsis. Monday afternoon I asked my mum and brother to bring our children to the hospital to see their dad. It was heart breaking but I’m glad I did as they had a long time to sit with him while he slept. Nigel had stage 3 aki and pancreatitis on top of the urosepsis.

I stayed at the hospital Monday night, he was given antibiotics and fluids in an attempt to reduce his temperature and rehydrate him. Tuesday he mostly slept and tried to sip fluids but struggled. Tuesday night he was very disturbed and slept very little. Wednesday his temperature and heart rate were better than previously but still not normal. Because of the holidays we hadn’t seen a consultant, Wednesday they came to say the ct showed pancreatitis and possible kidney obstruction and that it would be reviewed by the surgical and urology teams to see if there was anything that could be done to alleviate the suffering. They booked Nigel for an ultrasound of his pancreas and kidneys.

The Palliative care team came and went through what had been discussed and the possible outcomes, such as there being no further treatment and potentially being moved to the hospice.

While I went home to grab a couple of hours sleep the surgical team arrived to discuss stents and nephrostomy. Nigel hadn’t got a clue what they were talking about and my mum and sister in law did their best to take note of what has been said. It’s very frustrating that they came before the ultrasound has been done, this option may not have been given after review. Wednesday night was peaceful, I stayed at the hospital each night, they have brought me a mattress to sleep on in his room.

Thursday morning urology team came to discuss surgery, same consultant as when he had the turp. Agreed that the risks outweighed the benefits and to leave Nigel with the urinary catheter instead. Nigel was very sleepy but the most “with it” he’d been since the weekend. Medical team decided not to do the ultrasound as it wouldn’t make a difference to treatment. Palliative care nurse came back and confirmed our request to be moved to the hospice. Nigel was having iv fluid and antibiotics in hospital but there wouldn’t be iv at the hospice. All medications and antibiotics are to be given as a liquid or injectable as Nigel is having great difficulty in swallowing. He slept almost all of Thursday afternoon and evening.

Moved to the hospice Friday morning, Nigel showed an improvement overnight in hospital and started drinking again. Friday morning had a cup of tea and biscuits for breakfast then managed to brush his teeth and put his false ones in as well. This makes a big difference to how clear his speech is and his swallow reflex. Settled in well to the hospice and met his doctor and nurse, the aim is to alleviate as many symptoms as they can for Nigel, catheter leakage/bypassing, pain when opening his bowels, acid reflux pain when eating, thrush in his mouth from the antibiotics and the slight delirium that has appeared. It was clear by lunchtime that the initial buoyancy of the day (probably steroid induced) was waning and that Nigel was exhausted.

We can almost see our house from the hospice it’s that close, I feel fortunate that we have this facility so close and that there was a bed available when we needed it. I have to say the respect and compassion shown on the hospital ward was amazing too, they really cared for him and me and our family and friends.

Saturday 5th January Nigel couldn’t eat or drink and mostly just slept. He was given sedation a couple of times and his anxiety coincided with the need to open his bowels, he wanted to get off the bed to go to the toilet. I held his hand when I could and he managed a hello to both children. They were sad but like me, don’t want to see Nigel in any more pain and are glad he as sedated. Lots of family through the doors and some beautiful friends came home with me to help take the Christmas decorations down. I cleared out our bathrooms which are full of catheter and incontinence necessities and I moved the medical stuff out of our bedroom. I couldn’t bear to keep looking at it all knowing he wasn’t coming home. I can take it to the hospice and they will use it for Nigel there.

Letter in the post from onco suggesting a ct scan is necessary and that the recent issues may be due to fluid restriction. I felt a wave of anger and hatred when I opened it, too little too late. I emailed onco over 4 weeks ago to get some updates and ask for a scan. It turns out the Secretary was off sick, no one dealt with the emails and I was too busy looking after us all to keep chasing, sometimes the energy can’t be directed into following up phone calls and emails. There’s no way Nigel is going to make this month’s clinic let alone go for a scan. But 4 weeks ago it may have helped predict what was going to happen, who knows.

Sunday 6th January

Nigel was buoyant in the morning and although sometimes difficult to follow, chatted to visitors and had plenty to drink. By lunchtime this had worn off and he began to experience all over body pain, he hadn’t taken the Abiraterone since last Friday so perhaps that had an effect on the bone metastases. The nurses gave him liquid oxycodone, no oramorph as this affects the kidneys. He settled for several hours and woke up early evening to chat with me before I left for home. He started to asking to come home, although this was not his plan, and I think it will be very hard on the children to see him like that all the time, if he insists I said I would arrange for his end of life care to be moved to the home.

Monday 7th January

There are ups and downs every day, the mornings are probably the best part of the day, Nigel was chatty and relatively alert, the kids came for breakfast and told him about their day ahead or what they did the evening before., they showed him pictures of things they’d like for their 16th and 18th birthdays this year and after they’d left for school he asked me to buy them now and put them away. Nigel managed to drink lots of lemonade and diet coke and was well hydrated but still struggling to eat The doctor thought he may have a very bad case of thrush in his gullet and gave him treatment for it. Long periods of sleep interspersed with chatty good humour. A good day for the kids to see him. The nurse prepared a Compact Coffee flavour Ensure for him, a scoop of ice cream, some milk, some crushed ice and blended. A very nice frappe which he managed to drink.

Tuesday 8th January

Nigel slept well but struggled to wake up, only really becoming alert around lunch time, Doctor felt a change from Haliperidol (anti-nausea ) to metoclopromide might help with the drowsiness, so changed to this in the evening. A quiet day, I gave Nigel as shave and helped give him a wash, he talked to the Doctor about maybe getting out of bed on Wednesday and into his wheelchair. Very poor appetite but managing a chocolate milkshake and another frappe. I rang motability to inquire as to whether we can purchase the car mid-lease, we can. I have to notify the DWP that Nigel is in a hospice as if he is admitted for 28 days the PIP stops and this is what funds the car. These are the shitti est things to deal with when this situation arises. Good urine output, nurse feels that kidney function may have improved/recovered.

Wednesday 9th January

A fairly rubbish start to the day, Nigel woke up at 7 and bypassed his catheter, by the time the nurses had changed him and his bed he was exhausted and went back to sleep until 11am. Then family visited with a 1 year old and he woke right up, he then had a stream of visitors until 5pm, he was really with it and chatty. The kids came up and they decided they would come for longer on Friday. Nigel is still drinking but can’t eat, he finds food attractive but once it’s in his mouth he doesn’t like it and spits it out. I have asked the doctor if there is any tweaking to be done with the meds to improve this. They will discuss for tomorrow. A nice day for everyone. Social worker dropped by to talk to me and a different one to talk to daughter. Son has had a meeting with his but neither child.inclined to talk at the moment. Nigel is scared, I asked if a social worker could drop by to talk to him and help him share these anxieties as he wants to but stops himself because he’s upset and doesn’t want me to be upset.

Thursday 10th January

Same scenario, Nigel was awake early and with it for an hour before he went back to sleep and could not bring himself around to chat. Visitors arrived around 11.30 and he woke and chatted for a long time. Drinking ok but no appetite, Nigel started asking about coming home. He said to the visitors that he was going to build himself up and come home in the next few weeks. I didn’t know what to say, I wasn’t sure if he was trying to convince himself or if he was convinced he will recover some of his health from this episode. If I’m totally honest, I was afraid to have him home as his needs are more than I could manage on my own and that would mean relying on nurses to come to the home, they wouldn’t be there all the time and it’s sods law that you need them when they aren’t readily available. He seemed fitter than when we arrived at the hospice, he had enough strength to turn himself over in bed and to pull himself up the bed with the hoist. He hadn’t been able to do this at all until now. I went home for a shower and open the post. My mum sat with him but he slept. A relatively alert afternoon and evening, no food but drinking ok. Catheter pain, an ache that goes away with the Instillagel so probably down to it being a size 16 rather than anything else. Went to sleep talking about how tomorrow he was going to get out of bed and into the chair (very comfy recliner, I’m sleeping on it at night.) Positive thinking. He said he was going to ask the doctors what happens next, I don’t think he understands that he is still deteriorating, they’ve made him feel better but not being able to eat anything is not a good sign.

Friday 11th January

Nigel is a very determined man, he decided at 9am he was going to get in the chair and he did, with the assistance of 2 nurses. The kids brought Macdonalds breakfast at 10am and I made Nigel a sausage sandwich, he ate half a sausage and drank 2 cups of coffee. We were all a bit surprised at this. He sat in the chair for an hour and then went back to bed. He managed to try the fish and chip lunch they provided, a couple of mouthfuls. He chatted with visitors in the afternoon and then ate the middle bit of a portion of arctic roll for his tea. He had another coffee and went to sleep around 9pm. I don’t know if this is just a little hiatus or if there is an improvement in his kidney function and general well being. Nigel said he might ask them to check next week. He has been telling visitors that he should be home in a few weeks and is intent on getting into the wheelchair tomorrow for a tour of the hospice.

Saturday 12th January

A long night in which Nigel had trouble with his bowels opening without control, twice in the night, then on waking. He managed to get up and into the chair for half an hour, then he went back to bed for a while. Then his bowels opened again, after the nurse had changed him he asked to get in the wheelchair, I took him on a little tour of the hospice. We went to the kitchen and made a coffee, I can’t quite believe the improvement and neither could the doctor when she saw him being wheeled back to bed. They are going to review him on Monday as he seems to be improving rather than deteriorating. Appetite is still a major issue but drinking plenty. I am prepared for this not lasting but it feels good to have some happier memories.

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Posted 13 Jan 2019 at 20:06
Sunday 13th January

A pretty good start to the day, up into the chair and then into the wheelchair to go to the kitchen/lounge. Kids visited and chatted about stuff and Nigel talked about the possibility of getting a wheelchair cab tomorrow to go home for an hour. The nurses felt that there shouldn't be a problem with this but that we should check with the doctor first. I can't quite believe the recovery of his mental acuity and his resilience and optimism. Twice in the last 2 weeks we have had family and the kids by his bedside to say goodbye. Long may this plateau last.!!!

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Posted 13 Jan 2019 at 23:14
Such a hard read and brings back similar memories. I don’t think you should apologise for posting how it is, or feel responsible for the impact it has on others. We do no service to anyone by pretending that stage 4 cancer is easy or tidy when it is sad and messy and traumatic and heart breaking for everyone involved. You are doing a fantastic job of holding it together and your family sounds amazing.

You and Devonmaid can have half the comfort blanket each.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

 
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