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User
Posted 13 Nov 2018 at 23:54
What an ordeal! Hope things now ease for OH.
Barry
User
Posted 14 Nov 2018 at 10:08

Haha Lynn, eventually it made its way outside!  The children are very good at scurrying off quietly and taking advantage of my exhaustion. They very quietly heap their stuff in the sink, and leave a trail of coats, shoes etc behind them. I've just come downstairs to be greeted by last nights pudding bowls/cups and this mornings breakfast things....they got themselves ready and out of the house though! 

The community team will be out tomorrow for our "initial assessment " I feel we are playing catch up here but never mind,  at least something is happening. 

Oh has just asked whether we have any bacon, and if I could run are bath for him. This is a massive improvement on comatose Monday, we may make Fridays appointment after all.

User
Posted 16 Nov 2018 at 23:44
Update:

Oh managed to get dressed today, first time in 2 weeks. He also managed a short walk down the road to my mum's for a bit of lunch. Last night we had a very nice bit of sirloin. I can't remember the last time we ate steak, it's been years. It was bloody lush.

He only ate half last night so he finished off the cold bit this morning, after a bowl of porridge.

But that was it for the day, he lost his appetite after that and didn't fancy anything later.

Oncology appointment :

A mixed bag, oh had questions such as, "why did it take so bloody long to do something about the urinary retention and haematuria?" and "do I have to stay on restricted fluids forever?"

Mine were "can you see whether the Abiraterone is having a positive effect underneath the current symptoms? "

"What do you think is causing the sodium loss and can it be treated or prevented?"

Onco asked oh what had been going on the last few weeks, oh's reply was "I'm not really sure, it's difficult to remember. "

Negatives: onco mentioned SIADH and Small Cell Carcinoma as likely reason for sodium loss and why oh hasn't responded well to the conventional treatments. He thinks oh has probably got a mixture. We'll know when the histology is back in a couple of weeks from the turp.

Positives: OH has a prescription for sodium supplement and a bumper pack of dexamethazone for a little jump start. Hopefully the steroids will make oh feel better and sodium means he can have a coffee whenever he wants.

Radiotherapy is also on offer if the haematuria continues.

Although oh's bloods were all over the place (oncos words), his bone profile showed an improvement. Based on this, if todays blood test shows a continued improvement (results are monday) then Abiraterone is to continue for another 4 week cycle. Oh doesn't have the dreadful bone ache in his hip and pelvis anymore, that is something to be thankful for.

I'm not surprised at the small cell, oh's cancer symptoms haven't followed a typical path for prostate cancer. In a weird way I am relieved that the onco has brought this up as it's a bizarre validation that I am not going crazy and I don't have Munchausen by proxy, I was right to think oh was poorlier than expected and knowing how relentless small cell cancers are (my dad had sc lung cancer) I can stop feeling I have failed in my duty to look after my husband. It's a vicious b****** of a disease and we never stood a chance.

Xx

User
Posted 17 Nov 2018 at 00:14

I had also wondered whether it was small cell or possibly mucinous PCa. It might cheer you a little to look up Cookiegirl and Edamo - her husband’s cancer possibly developed from adenocarcinoma to SCC so her story may be a little closer to what you are dealing with. 

Edited by member 17 Nov 2018 at 00:21  | Reason: Not specified

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 19 Nov 2018 at 19:50
Update:

Although his results were "poor" oh has been given another 4 weeks of Abiraterone. I didn't ask for specifics other than the sodium and hb, 123 and 93 respespectively.

The nurse said that there was enough of a responseries regarding his bone profile to continue. This is reflected in the lack of pain around the metastases in his pelvis and thigh.

He's taking 6mg of dexamethazone but it hasn't really has much effect on his appetite. He's only picking at a few things and still using metoclopromide for the nausea.

Chemist hadn't had the delivery of sodium supplement (I can't remember the name), should have it tomorrow.

He's passing 1 or 2 clots every time he urinates, specialist nurses said to expect this for the next few weeks....he's in agony each time and going for a poo is something else! Palliative care suggested taking oramorph and paracetamol at the same time and regularly and if this doesn't work then changing to zomorph slow release and using the oramorph and paracetamol as top ups when he goes to the toilet. Which in turn requires more laxative.

I'm really hoping the sodium supplement works so he can increase his fluids which will make toileting easier on his system.

Podiatrist coming on Wednesday, much laughter in our house and from the clinic at my ability to cope with pee, poo, sick and blood but not feet!

Omg I am not touching his toenails.....

The goal this week is to be able to come to the cinema on Friday to watch Fantactic Beasts 2, the goal tomorrow is to wash AND shave...

User
Posted 20 Nov 2018 at 07:49
Kentish you are a 🌟 keep up the good work he is a lucky man to have you..
User
Posted 20 Nov 2018 at 17:08
Kentish, you are a star, indeed. I can't help thinking that your husband is trapped in vicious circles. Pain killing drugs that cause constipation, anti-nausea tablets ditto, inactivity ditto. The so!ution has to be a much increased fluid intake, for which the sodium supplement seems to be the key. I certainly hope it brings relief and progress.

Good Luck

AC

User
Posted 20 Nov 2018 at 18:21
Desmopressin acetate:

Had a bit of a panic when I got home from the chemist and read the leaflet.

"Do Not Take if....you have low sodium....are suffering from SIADH "

I rang the onco and left a message with his secretary. Came back to me really quickly, that applies if you are taking it for bedwetting...

So, starting this evening, no more restricted fluids, hopefully this will help flush his bladder of clots, these are agonisingly painful to pass. It must be, he said "I wish they'd chop it off! " I don't think many men would genuinely wish that!

Bath and shave achieved...steak again for dinner, the kids can't believe it...just going to book those cinema tickets.xx

User
Posted 21 Nov 2018 at 16:25
I hope you both enjoy the steak tonight and the cinema on Friday.

Here’s hoping the increased fluid intake will improve things.

Ido4

User
Posted 21 Nov 2018 at 21:41
Increase in fluid means an increase in leaking but he's not bothered about it. Peeing like a horse!

Managed to get up with the children this morning (more than I did ) and see them off to school. Then he made a coffee and brought it up to me in bed, stayed up all day. Nurse came and took blood, podiatrist came and did his feet...bleurrgh.

Actually she said other than a funky toenail and dryskin they were fine, I'm still not doing it :)

Had a wash this evening and has now retired to bed.

In amongst this we talked about funeral songs and the children's 16th and 18th birthdays next year...he wants to talk about it, decide and then never discuss it again. I agreed that was a very good idea. We're going to write it in his My Wishes book (the funeral plan, not the birthday ideas....) and then put it away. I like his approach of tackle it head on and then get on with the everyday, nothing more to discuss.

My workplace have given me unpaid leave until after Christmas, to be discussed again in January.

His workplace are still paying him full pay, his sicknote finishes at Christmas and he will send in another one. I spoke to them recently and they asked how he was and reassured me they would continue to pay him as long as they could. They are awesome. He must have been very highly thought of.

A side thought:

Does anyone else read some of the words and see:

Mucinous = Mutinous

Haemoglobin = Haemagoblin

Prostate = Prostrate

Etc

Or am I having a mini moment, using humour to deflect..!

User
Posted 23 Nov 2018 at 22:28
Positives:

Sodium is 124 still and Hb has risen to 100.

Negatives: raised white cell count, no sign of an infection at the moment though, eg temperature, cough, red skin.

Nausea and vomiting though, I called the doctors for the results this morning and they said the doctor would do a home visit to see if he had an infection. Coincidentally, oh had been sick twice today and I wanted a doctor to come and see him anyway.

Doctor couldn't pinpoint an infection but wrote a prescription for prochlorperazine to try as an anti nausea drug.

Oh is really miserable, he's slept a lot of the day and feels sick when he is awake :(

User
Posted 24 Nov 2018 at 19:34
Crisis/anticipatory medications:

Oh still being sick at 11pm and agreed calling the community nurses would be a good idea. They came within the hour and gave him an injection for the vomiting. He's managed to keep the oral medication down today but has slept for most of it. No other meds taken at all as he just felt to rubbish to try.

This is tough :(

User
Posted 24 Nov 2018 at 23:16

Hi,

I just want to send you and your husband a massive hug xxxx

Broken crayons still colour 

User
Posted 24 Nov 2018 at 23:41
Nature kicks in to produce natural pain relief and sleeping more is part of that. Are you managing to get any rest?
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 25 Nov 2018 at 00:46

Thank you Ladies,  I feel if I have a real life hug I won't be able to keep it together for the children. I'm waiting for our son to get in from his part time job (restaurant ), can't go to sleep until I hear the key in the door.

I'm not really doing much but it's not restful...I can't concentrate on the TV or a book and I don't want to go out, I want to stay near oh. I've woken him up twice since lunch to get him to go for a wee and to take the metoclopromide.  At least that's staying down and he's stopped being sick.

Family have popped in and chatted to the kids and me. But even conversation is hard to concentrate on. It's a horrible feeling of knowing I must still function for the children but actually I just want everyone to leave us alone.

Xx

User
Posted 25 Nov 2018 at 02:38

Read this poem (half way down the page, dated 29th November) from Julie -
https://community.prostatecanceruk.org/posts/t9751-Advanced-prostat-cancer-part-2/page2

 

Julie had the comfort blanket for a long time but was always generous in sharing it with others.

Anything normal is going to be a huge effort at the minute; it is a great shame that the moderators block any swear words on this forum because sometimes, a good expletive helps. I used to go out for a run and scream once I got round the corner.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 25 Nov 2018 at 11:19

Thank you Lynn, I love the humour and pathos. I've often said to my counsellor that I want to press pause on life, just for a little while so we can take a deep breath and rest for a moment from the journey.

I am a very sweary person, it takes a lot of restraint not to fill my posts with ******. According to the  kids, "Mummy has a potty mouth" I would very much like something to punch, or smash or burn....perhaps I'll chop logs and light the fire, that's acceptable arson and violent behaviour ;)

This current little detour appears to have come to and end!  After many, many trips for a number 2 since yesterday, oh announces his morning that he thinks he might get up in a while and watch TV...he has not had any of his medications since Thursday evening, Abiraterone,  prednisolone, desmopressin,  morphine, omeprozole. He took one paracetamol yesterday because he had a headache and has managed to keep down 4 doses of metoclopromide.

He has also drunk 6 small cartons of apple juice over the course of yesterday and last night.

I'm wondering if this was a bad reaction to the desmopressin, coupled with a really bad bout of constipation?

Oh has decided not to take any of his meds until Tuesday and then he's going to go back to restricted fluids for a few days before trying the desmopressin again.

His only pain is in his penis when he goes for a poo, no idea why but it goes away once his lower bowel has emptied. He's not planning on taking the morphine unless it's absolutely  necessary, he hates being constipated.

Right then, off to do something productive,  probably, when I've had another coffee. Xx

User
Posted 26 Nov 2018 at 00:15
Well he didn't quite manage to get up but today was a better day. Still keeping the metoclopromide down and was tempted by the smell of frying bacon into eating a crispy rasher. Then a kids cheese pizza and later in the evening a sausage.

I'm under no illusion this is a little hiatus, he's just slept for almost the whole day and when awake he can't manage a conversation longer than 5 minutes.

But he managed to ask our son about an apprenticeship he's been offered and a new part time job he starts this week.

Xx

User
Posted 26 Nov 2018 at 23:42
And today he's up :) twice !

When he got up this morning he said he thought he'd got another uti, off I went to gp with a sample and they called later to say yes he has and to collect a prescription for trimethropin.

Still off his meds and only had 2 metoclopromide today.

Interest in food today, cooking kids tea and it's like the bistro kid from upstairs...."that smells nice!"

I'm so glad he's stopped feeling sick.

Tomorrow's plan: get washed.

A home hairdresser is coming to give him a trim on Friday, and we are having a new mattress delivered. You know you're old when this makes your heart flutter😁. It's the posh one that Premier Inn use, we stayed in one earlier in the year and it was like being hugged!

Oh is looking forward to it too, 3 solid days in bed and he's got a sore hip from laying on his side all the time.

Ugh, ,I went to bed early (8pm) because I'm shattered, slept until 11pm and now I can't get back to sleep :(

User
Posted 26 Nov 2018 at 23:51
You can buy the mattresses that premier inn use????
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

 
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