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One wife's story of ED

User
Posted 13 Sep 2018 at 20:36
Paulo, what make and model of pump are you using?
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 24 Sep 2018 at 14:53

Hi Lyn and all,

Sorry about late reply. I need to change my alert signs...

I don't know what type of pump I use. It is a manual vacum pump. Not a very expensive one I am afraid. We don't get any money for pumps here and I didn't buy the most expensive "toy" because I was not sure if it would work.

Well, the pump is doing its job I guess. It seems I wasn't doing the right thing with the ring. I was using the pump and just removing it :-) I bought new rings as the older ones didn't do the job well. I am trying. I need though some more time.

The thing is anyway when I am getting enough stimulation the penis gets hard and I am happy. Of course with the pump, I remove, it gets lost and I need the stimulation. I am trying to use the rings now. Keep you posted.

Thank you for your support,

Paulo

 

User
Posted 21 Dec 2018 at 01:06

My husband is distraught over his prostate cancer.  No sexual feelings at all.  

He was diagnosed with Advanced Prostate Cancer just over 2 years ago, PSA 478, inoperable.  Has had chemo and RT and HT.  It has been awful to say the least.  He has tried viagra - really bad headaches and blood pressure, bloodshot eyes.   Cialis - severe leg pains and has now been given a pump which to cut a long story short, he is distraught with.  We have no sex life at all.  He is 64, I am 57.  Sex isn't the thing for me but I can't do without love and affection which is so upsetting. 

Each time the subject is mentioned he breaks down.  There is no support in this area for discussion, councelling or of other experiences.  

 

User
Posted 21 Dec 2018 at 16:37
Bee,

You and your husband have to adjust to a new "normal" in which there is plenty of room for love and affection, but sex is over. I assume he is still on HT. Viagra can't compete with that! I'm guessing that he is angry with the world and that has squeezed out his loving impulses. He needs to adjust and think of you rather than himself. HT often brings out the softer side in men, it has in me, but men have to make room for it. Easier said than done, but do you have any friends who could help?

AC

User
Posted 21 Dec 2018 at 20:58

I have just read this thread from start to finish and as a newbie to to this club found it both informative and amusing in some parts.

The one thing that stands out is that nearly all of the posts are from men or the wives of those that have had RP and not much from those that have gone down the HT RT road as I am. Is it that ther is less chance of having ED after RT?? I know that it is a side effect as I read it on the main site.

Although I never had any symptoms of PCa before I was diagnosed I did occasionally suffer from problems getting an erection and I now wonder if that may have been an early indication of what was to come.

I am not overly worried about ED as after nearly 40 years marriage we have had a good sex life and we are both happy to just have the closeness of each other at night now and I am happy just to give my wife pleasure by caressing her body which I believe is enough for her (we very rarely talk about sex)

I would be interested to hear some feed back from anyone that has had HT/RT.

Edited by member 21 Dec 2018 at 21:11  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 21 Dec 2018 at 21:34
A lovely post. !! As long as love and communication are key , where can you go wrong ?? Congrats foremost on 40 yrs and enjoy each cuddle - they mean way more !!

If life gives you lemons , then make lemonade

User
Posted 22 Dec 2018 at 01:09
There is no easy way of checking as this forum lacks a 'Poll' facility but I believe the majority of men have a Prostatectomy rather than RT as older guys like me had. This might go some way to explain why there is more comment about ED by men /partners who had surgery. Also, ED is more likely to be experienced soon after surgery whereas it can be delayed for quite some months or even a year or more with RT.
Barry
User
Posted 24 Dec 2018 at 00:09
Bobk, I think I made the point in one of the earliest posts that there is a lack of understanding or emphasis from medical professionals regarding the effect of ED and loss of libido on men with RT / HT, and the over-focus on it from men having (or considering) RP can be very hurtful or frustrating for this group.

Very few men have RT alone. While HT doesn't necessarily cause ED it almost always results in a total loss of libido which has the same effect on a relationship but perhaps without so much angst from the man (but a lot more hurt and sadness from the partner as demonstrated by Bee's post). I suspect that the reason posts on here are mostly from men that have had surgery is that many of the men on HT aren't stressing about it so much because either they a) have no libido so can't remember how they used to feel or b) are too ill for sexual intercourse.

Men who have ED as a result of the RT tend to develop this some years later, by which time it may be too late for the penile rehab approach. The size / girth / ability has often already been decimated by the HT, Cialis & Viagra may work but can't put right the damage done and some CCGs will not approve a pump or caverject for men that haven't had surgery.

IMO, it is an absolute scandal that 1) not all CCGs provide an ED / andrology clinic 2) in some areas, men have to ask about a referral when it should be offered automatically to all men diagnosed with PCa and 3) in too many areas, ED services are only available to men that have had RP and medics don't even think to discuss penile health and erectile function with men who are embarking on HT

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 18 Feb 2019 at 15:22

Dear all

I read this thread for the first time today - it's brilliant and very useful.  I really admire the frank talking and kindnesses in the posts and replies. @Lyn: I know you have been thanked many times already - but thanks, and thanks and ever thanks.

This post is to ask for suggestions and advice re my / our situation.  It's also partly a response to BobK's nice post as we seem to be in a similarish situation.  Here goes ... (deep breath)

It's almost 40 years since our first date and sex has been, up and down [so to speak] over the years.  Inexperienced to begin with and with all the normal worries and fumblings.  Once we worked out how "what went where" we had an active and happy sex life in our youth.   Parenthood was probably the first big change and then various things in life had effects. But generally we have been lucky in having had a fair amount of sex without any insurmountable issues.   But we have never stopped until now.

The diagnosis / treatment btw is Stage 4 PCa (T4N0M0, Gleason 9, PSA 141) being treated by RT and HT (so no RP).  HT started last June and is ongoing, RT finished in Nov last year, PSA now <0.5.

So, the awareness of the cancer hits last June and at that point sex is off the menu by mutual consent.  At the same time HT begins, and the HT - I think it's the HT - has removed the "Phwoar" factor from my brain.  The level of advice and support at hospital has been pretty low regarding keeping sex going.  This issue has been mentioned by us at consultations / Nurse Specialist meetings but I'm struggling to recall any response other than "use it or lose it".  Certainly I'm not aware of what changes the different treatments might and might not be making to my willy / balls / etc. And generally I feel that I might be missing a trick.

We're lucky in that it still works.  Libido might not be there but I can get an erection: very occasional nocturnal ones, otherwise a lot of hand work before.  We started to get back to it in autumn and are managing once or twice a month at the moment and it's sort of OK (post-diagnosis we might have had 5 or 6 occasions in all).  Its not particularly comfortable on the willy side of things (it feels smaller, less strong, and sore after a bit, if there is an orgasm it is dry and achy).  But we get across the line, which reduces my guilt a bit and I hope is nice for my partner.  We cuddle, we do foot massages on each other etc. etc. but sex aint something we want to give up just yet.

I think I have heard that penis atrophy is a potential issue (so perhaps "use it or lose it" is spot on): if the willy doesn't get regular (how regular is "regular") erections then the willy gets smaller / less strong ????  And we probably have many other similar technical questions about PCa and sex.

So, it feels like time to take things in hand (funny how any metaphor on this topic feels like I'm in a Carry-On movie) and get doing something about it before it may be too late.  So, I'm thinking some level of external support from someone with knowledge of PCa and its different treatments - and where might be the best place to get this support.    So any suggestions for this or any other suggestions and comments are gratefully received.

[Our support group had a sex speaker last month but this was a missed opportunity for us - perhaps because they didn't to know anything about PCa.  This person was a psycho-sexual counsellor, partly at support group at a nearby hospital and partly at another voluntary sector organisation - so we were a bit disappointed and a bit put-off ("how was if for you?" ..."mmm, felt like my first boyfriend - lots of footling about but getting nowhere").   But in any case that might not be the right route for us.]

 

User
Posted 18 Mar 2019 at 16:56
I think the point I'm getting here is it's important to talk. I separated from my wife of 20 years about 15 months ago although we remain on great terms and she's being very supportive as my "best friend" I recently started a new relationship with a friend I've known for many years (in the purely platonic sense) which has developed into something amazing and which I hope(d) has potential for the future and may well do.

She's been great through my recent diagnosis and we've talked a bit about the potential follow on issues after treatment in particular as the medical team are tending towards a RP. We do skirt around the point a bit sometimes though and she's very much lets cure then deal with the future later. I kind of agree with this but that's easy to say now but I am conscious she's a good deal younger than me and life can be long if you have something missing. Certainly it was an issue in my marriage and definitely not talking about things and dealing with them contributed to the issues in my marriage.

I'm hoping I've learned enough to have the brave conversations and do what's necessary to make things good once things are sorted out for my treatment.

Hearing other peoples points and brilliantly open and truthful experiences is proving an invaluable resource here. It's the emotional stuff which is going to be difficult for me/us I think.

User
Posted 22 Mar 2019 at 09:30
I hope things work our for you Ezza.

In my few years on the site I have gone on and on about the importance of talking so that misunderstandings don't happen.

If we care about each other then we want the best for our other half, and that won't happen unless we, as partners, know exactly what fears and hopes we both have.

Keep going, keep talking.

Good luck for your future together

We can't control the winds - but we can adjust our sails
User
Posted 22 Mar 2019 at 10:22

I do not want cuddle

I do not want emotional support 

I do not want holding each other's hands

I do not want nice cheesy words 

All I want is ...........

 

S.E.X.!!! KAMA -SUTRA!!!!!

User
Posted 23 Mar 2019 at 00:55
Darkrainbow I think we had worked that one out!! Get yourself some Caverject you will be able to go all night!!!
User
Posted 24 Mar 2019 at 11:20
I don’t suggest the Brazilian Wandering Spider bite alternative 😱👹😂
User
Posted 24 Mar 2019 at 13:08

Franchj1

Thanks for your kind recommendation but Lynn had mentioned that (or somebody )

After the injection they had to go to A&E? 4 am in the morning. 

Is it risky and injection sound painful?

Thanks 

D.R

User
Posted 24 Mar 2019 at 13:10

Lol I never fancy Brazilian flat chested girls never mind the spider's:)

User
Posted 21 Jun 2019 at 17:56
The lovely Zoe has apparently left her post as ED nurse so J was referred to the new ED doctor at the hospital. Waited a while for his name to be called and eventually got into the consulting room.

Doctor - “why are you here?”

John explains history - RP, RT, HT - after good recovery, it is getting more difficult to maintain erections for more than a few minutes.

Doctor - “so what do you want?”

John - “Caverject didn’t work very well after the priapism, was hoping to try Muse”

Doctor - “won’t work”

John - “erm, what about the cream?”

Doctor - “won’t work”

John - “I thought it worked for some men?”

Doctor - “No. You can try Caverject again but you probably need to accept the situation.”

John - “okay, I will try the Caverject again”

Doctor - “you will need a referral to the nurses to be shown how to do it.”

J said the doctor was disinterested and negative - what a waste of time 😡

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 21 Jun 2019 at 18:01

That's sad. They can be really good people. You have to wonder if there's any justification behind the "won't work" responses. I wonder what job satisfaction he gets from that?

Might be worth asking GP or a urology consultant if there's someone/somewhere else you can be referred.

User
Posted 21 Jun 2019 at 18:02
Stevie, I am so sorry I missed your post in February. How are things going? Did you find an ED service in your area?
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 21 Jun 2019 at 20:12
My ED nurse was crap. To be honest I learnt more off this forum and self healed. If J is at the stage where he is needing Caverject then I guess you could sample some Invicorp privately. And the instructions for injection are better read than being shown sometimes. Contact me if you need details

If life gives you lemons , then make lemonade

 
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