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Posted 27 Aug 2020 at 17:08
Ah love - you will never get things back as they were but you will find a new normal eventually; I hope that Janet sees your post and gives some of her wisdom on this well trodden path that you now find yourself on. Eventually, the not so nice images of the final days will retreat and you will be left with the memories & images that make you smile - that is the nature of grief.

Lots of love to you x
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard
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Posted 28 Aug 2020 at 07:45

Dear Gillyflower, I understand why you find it hard to let go of this support group. It shared so many anxious moments with you and all your journeys were intertwined. Stay with it for as long as you need to and for as long as it gives you comfort. I get what you mean about self identity too. Having had someone in your life for over half your life and having a married status becomes a norm. It’s a shock to be a widow and almost to reinvent yourself. I haven’t gone through your experience yet but I’ve had to start preparing myself for it. You sound like you’re being amazing and doing all the right things. I hope I can be like you. Keep posting if you want to and let us know how you are getting on. 

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Posted 28 Aug 2020 at 15:57

Dear Gillyflower, 


Lyn is so right in that you will never get things back as they were but you will find a new normal eventually. It's so different, but in a way the same, for us all if that makes sense? A new normal, finding purpose in your life, however you see it, in time it happens and I hated people saying time would help, but eventually it did.


It's more than ten years for me now and I still pop in here most days. I've not a great deal to say here, but I do like to keep up with people here. I do volunteer with Prostate Cancer UK and I feel that using the knowledge I wish I hadn't had to gain makes a little bit of sense of losing Mike. For some it is better to move away, but I found such support and lovely people, not to mention good friends, on this forum that it has become part of who I am now, and that's a good feeling. 


Getting through each day is good, and all you can expect at this stage. I think I tried too hard to get through them and coped much better when I just decided to let it be. Suddenly one day I found I smiled when the sun shone instead of forcing smiles to make other people feel better. Other people seemed to want me to cope when really I felt I wasn't coping. I forced a smile one day to a neighbour and she patted me on the shoulder and said she was glad I was better, as though I'd had a bad cold! That's when I realised that some of the newer people in my life, and people on this forum, did understand more than people I had maybe known much longer. 


Star crossed talks about reinventing yourself and I get that totally. In time I almost completely reinvented myself to suit the life I could live, rather than the life I had previously lived. Mostly it's okay, even good, but I would never want to forget my past life, it's just somehow the two can run side by side. Memories become easier and kinder. Learning to cope becomes less of a challenge. Asking for help was always difficult for me, and probably still is, but people do want to help and if they can make life easier for you, please let them.


I understand your thoughts on feeling robbed of your time with your dear G at the end. Anger is the stage of grief I found most difficult to accept. I understood the other stages and expected them, but I felt I should have been able to deal with the anger. Images of the last few days take their toll on you. And in similar circumstances to G's Mike's journey came to a quicker end than we had expected. In time I was grateful he hadn't suffered more for a longer time, but at the time it was a shock and I felt he was cheated.


You are so right, now it is enough to get through each day. Try to be as kind to yourself as you would be to others. And do keep popping in here, especially if it helps you, but do know that you have helped, and will continue to help, so many others with your posts.


Take care, love Janet, x


 


 


 


 

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Posted 28 Aug 2020 at 22:44

Thank you so much for that Janet. People have been very kind and I have been so pleased that G's male friends have had the courage to want to stay in touch with me and to share how they are feeling too, without feeling awkward.


I know what you mean about people saying odd things, how do you answer " and how are you feeling ? "  maybe I will still be popping on here in ten years time too.


The family mission at the moment is to raise awareness and funds too. So many people have donated in G's memory,  we have been overwhelmed. He was a very much loved man.


I had wondered about volunteering in some way, and will look into it. At the moment I seem to still be catching up on sleep, and am embarking on a decluttering spree again. 


It is odd to have reclaimed the room which had become a mini hospital ward and It is upsetting that, because of the virus, valuable medical items could not be returned to the district nurses. I have given them instead to our local pharmacy who will dispose of them for me. It seems so wasteful when they have sat in quarantine for three weeks in a covid free house.


Anyway thank you again.


 


 


 


 

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Posted 29 Aug 2020 at 16:10

It's really good to hear that G's friends are happy to stay in touch and share their feelings, it's a credit to you that they feel able to do so. Never underestimate how helpful this is to them, and in turn I hope it helps you find a little purpose in life too. 


In time I've got to realise that people usually try their best to say the right thing, but it was so confusing in the early days, and some would cross the road, or suddenly dash up another aisle in the supermarket, rather than speak. After a couple of years of ignoring me some started to include me in social events again. I think, although I can't be sure, they thought I was okay by then and wouldn't cry or spoil the party! Luckily in the meantime I had found people I felt comfortable with to socialise and also found I was quite happy alone. Actually I have never felt alone as I often feel as though Mike is still with me, and talk to him in my mind. I also laugh at things he would have found amusing, which is a comfort. 


It's brilliant that your family are raising awareness and funds too. So much is needed, especially this year when income and the chance to raise awareness have been so much reduced. It is obvious G was a very much loved man and if you can reach out to people who maybe can donate a little (or a lot) then every man diagnosed or tested early may well be a man whose family doesn't have to go through what our families have been through.


If you ever do want to volunteer officially there are so many ways you could do, but you are already raising awareness and funds, and helping others here so I think you are already doing your bit. But really for now it is probably best to concentrate on catching up with your sleep and concentrating on your health - it really does matter and makes a difference. 


I agree about all the waste, but even pre Covid it wasn't much different. I had to take the medication to the pharmacy for disposal but as I was told all equipment, even unused equipment, would be destroyed I kept it. Over the years I was able to pass things on to people in need at the right time. 


Take care, and look after you, Janet, x


 

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Posted 29 Aug 2020 at 21:28
Thank you Janet - I always find your words soothing and such a comfort so I am sure everyone else does, too.

Take care, lovely lady xxx
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard
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Posted 31 Aug 2020 at 10:42
Thanks again Janet and Lyn too.
Yesterday I was out with my son and grand-daughter and found myself marvelling at the clouds in the sky and the wild flowers underfoot as well as moorhens diving on a sun splashed lake. I felt alive and strangely happy for a few hours. I missed G so much but I felt as if it was ok to still enjoy nature and the pleasure of company.
The house still feels empty but I don't feel alone all of the time. I think my gorgeous G is telling me to get on with life and enjoy it again while I can. I am sure he is with me at every step and if I falter he will try to rescue me again.
The longing to hug him is always there but I am taking baby steps to learn to do things on my own.
The weird thing is that I have never had to be completely on my own. I lived with other students a s a teenager and married straight from university so this is a very strange experience for me. Thank goodness for a garden and things to do. Have a good day everyone and remember to always tell people how much they mean to you.
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Posted 01 Sep 2020 at 18:19

Thank you, Lyn, and thanks for all you do here - your knowledge and support are amazing!


And Gillyflower it's lovely to read about your day out with your son and grand-daughter. You have reminded me of how much of nature I noticed after Mike died. I suppose I had been too pre-occupied caring for Mike to notice. But strangely I noticed things Mike would have noticed and commented on, almost as though he was showing them to me.


It makes perfect sense that the house feels empty but you don't feel alone all of the time. And that G is there guiding and rescuing you. But it's so difficult that he's not actually there to hug, isn't it? One thing I found strange was that when I was doing jobs around the house that Mike previously did, and I didn't really know how to do, I found I could do them, almost as though he'd somehow passed his knowledge on to me. And maybe he was doing, and maybe G will do for you?


Enjoy your garden whilst we've still a bit of warmth and longer daylight hours. And remember to take care of you.


Love Janet, x 

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Posted 01 Sep 2020 at 20:27

Today I accepted an invitation for coffee in a friends garden for the first time since G died and it was OK.  I did spend quite a lot of time in my own garden today - replanted the wall troughs that G used to do. I think he would approve.


Keeping busy helps I think. I will have to see how much I picked up  along the way when I come to do some decorating. 


We both really appreciated nature and took pleasure in the little things, just sitting watching tv together was a bonus when we knew he had little time left and that is what I miss so much.


Today a neighbour from three doors down asked me how he was. She was shocked and I am amazed she hadn't heard, when all my other neighbours knew. It took me aback but I suppose it will happen sometimes.     Each day continues to be a challenge but I hope G can see I am doing as well as I can.


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 

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Posted 01 Sep 2020 at 20:45
I suppose that could be a side effect of COVID; we have stayed in the house since we got back from France and haven't spoken to any neighbours yet to check everyone is okay 🤦🏼‍♀️
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard
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Posted 01 Sep 2020 at 23:53

Hi Gillyflower, I'm glad you're still here and posting. I know in an earlier post you said you may have to let go of this forum, but you don't have to. Remember this forum supports people who, have, had or are affected by PCa. You will always be in that category so you are always welcome.


The wider the cross section of our members the stronger this forum is in supporting all its members.Your and Janet's contributions can help partners see through the immediate sorrow and that there is some light at the other side.


I know it is still early days for you and there will be plenty of sorrow. I remember after I lost my father, going out on a sunny day, seeing people enjoying themselves, completely oblivious to my loss. It might sound strange but it made me happy that the world just carries on regardless of our problems. 

Dave

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Posted 02 Sep 2020 at 16:50

Heartfelt thoughts are with you and your family. I admire your strength......you probably don’t know you have it.


This forum is amazing......I read of the lives of those starting out with PC and of those at an end.  I try to remain positive and learn what I can from you all as we are in the early post op phase.


Thank you 🌹

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Posted 02 Sep 2020 at 21:05

Thank you all for being so kind. It seems such a long time since that Christmas Eve when we were first told that the cancer was there. It was such a shock at the time but I think we dealt with the cancer journey as well as we could. Today has been especially tough, for no real reason, other than I woke up suddenly from a snooze and was shocked to find G wasn't in the seat beside me . The tears have been plentiful today and the aching longing is hard to deal with but I am calmer now and know that this is how it is going to be. I had niggling doubts about some of the treatments and called my own gp who spent a long time talking me through things and we came to the realisation that although things could have been a little less intrusive, there was nothing anybody could have done to prevent the outcome as there were so many things going wrong at once  that he couldn't fight it any longer.


I do pray that each and every one of you who are going through your own journeys, can embrace the lives you have and do everything you want to do. Don't wait, or put things off till the time is right.


This world we live in now, with the coronavirus is very different from the one we all knew before and there are some things we cannot do, but we have to make the most of every day. One day there will be a way to stop this cancer in its tracks and stop it from spreading.  We have to have hope for all your futures.

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Posted 05 Sep 2020 at 19:31

Hi Gilly


I caught up on your thread and just wanted to say that in my view you should continue posting as you and G were in this together and for you this is just the next stage and for many others in your situation it is helpful to read about tears, aching and longing as they will feel the same and knowing others ( you) understand and have been in the same place will be a help to many. 


For myself I don’t know what to say when there is a loss as I am in such a better place, however you can empathise and support from a real place of understanding so the community benefits in more than one way.


I am glad you are still here, so sorry for your loss but your story has touched many and your ‘don’t wait, don’t put things off’ message really resonates. 


Best


Clare


 

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Posted 05 Sep 2020 at 20:51

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member


For myself I don’t know what to say when there is a loss as I am in such a better place, however you can empathise and support from a real place of understanding so the community benefits in more than one way.


I am glad you are still hear, so sorry for your loss but your story has touched many and your ‘don’t wait, don’t put things off’ message really resonates. 



 


I'm in a similar position. I always stayed away from these kinds of threads because I find them upsetting and don't feel I have anything of value to add. But they are really helpful to people not familiar with 'end of life' issues.


Gillyflower, I'm really sorry for your loss of G.

_____


Two cannibals named Ectomy and Prost, all alone on a Desert island.


Prost was the strongest, so Prost ate Ectomy.

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Posted 06 Sep 2020 at 00:39

Thank you. My children have been amazing but I do try to let them express their sadness at losing a great Dad too.G's friends are having to deal with their own pain too. One close friend rings every week which is a comfort to us both in different ways.


I find it hard to read some threads with an awareness that some people will be facing the same as we did in a few months or weeks.


I think it would be helpful if doctors told people what to expect in the end of life period. I knew three weeks before G died that things were progressing very quickly but it was quite frightening how quickly the changes came, the reslessness, the urgency to sort things out, the gradual loss of the ability to walk, then stand and other losses of normal function. It was scary for us both and it was only when they sent him home from hospital that we really had to accept it was nearly over.


If I can help anyone, I will. Grief is a strange process and some days you will feel fine and then feel guilty because you got through the day with only a few tears shed and the next day might be totally different when you feel very alone and cry a lot. It is all normal and never feel you need to follow an expected pattern. Let each day be just as it is buf if you feel you are sinking into depression then seek help as soon as you can.


Tomorrow is another day - make it special.


 


 


 


 


 

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Posted 06 Sep 2020 at 15:24

So many true words, Gillyflower, and although we are all different, in some ways there are such similarities. 


In so many ways I feel you are coping much better than I did at your stage, and I understand entirely your feelings of guilt for sometimes getting through a day more easily than other days. I think that's how it is, I used to feel guilty as sometimes I felt my journey wasn't as hard as it should have been, but then a spell came where it was much harder. In time I learned to just let it be and know that the harder times would pass, and that it was okay to smile on the easier days. 


One thing I found helpful was reading about grief being a big hole you fall in to. Initially you can't get back out easily and need help. In time it becomes easier to scramble out, the hole doesn't seem quite so deep. Eventually you see the hole and walk around it. But I found often it was about three steps forward, then two steps back.


I found it frustrating that the doctors didn't talk about end of life issues and what to expect. I did know that Mike didn't want to talk but I did expect that someone would take me on one side and talk to me, but they didn't. If I asked I was told everyone's journey was different. 


I was happy to hear you spoke to your GP about some of the treatments and it helped. I did the same, and it helped me to know that Mike had lived longer than anyone had expected and that it was down to his sheer determination. Maybe she told me that because she thought it was what I wanted to hear but actually at the time it helped as things had gone downhill so quickly at the end I was confused about what had happened. In time I was so grateful he hadn't suffered more, because really until the last few weeks there was still so much quality and hope to his life.


Take care, Janet, x

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Posted 06 Sep 2020 at 22:29

Gosh Janet


Your experience sounds so like ours. I dont know that I am coping any better than anyone else does. We cried together so much over several weeks because we knew what was going to happen just not how it would end and nobody could have prepared me for that really. I feel I could have dealt with it better and sat with him longer instead of letting him sleep but he was exhausted and I had no idea he wouldn't wake again. That is the worst part for me.


I have lost my Mum, Dad and brother and each end was different so I have had so much sadness along the way.  When I worked I dealt with a lot of other people's grief and the hole you fall into is very familiar to me. The thing is to find ways of recognising it, finding ways to climb out and how to skirt round it next time it comes up.


Anyway thanks again - lovely to hear your views.


 


 


 

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Posted 09 Sep 2020 at 15:38

I read the new threads and am constantly amazed at the different treatments and progress. My G was doing so well on the chemo - no side affects to speak of and reduction in mets. How devasting that he had to stop due to Covid and subsequently the cancer spread alarmingly. There are no certainties extra chemo would have given him more time, but my heart is broken to think that we were denied that chance because of the virus. 


Each day, it gets harder, some days I can't speak to people without crying and I know it is normal but it is a tough time. G would want me to carry on and I am trying but even having a flu jab on my own today reminded me we will never share anything again.


Good luck all you guys out there - keep fighting - one day there will be a cure.


 


 

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Posted 10 Sep 2020 at 10:10

Take care Gilly, hope you are having a better day today.

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