Dairy Free or Reduced Diet

irun, I suspect it's more likely your exercise routine!

Interestingly there is no evidence whatsoever for meat being a factor in PC, in fact I would argue there is very little evidence for meat (unprocessed) bring s factor in any cancers. Rather there is a lot of evidence that diets hi in vegetables IS protective.

Dairy is s little more nuanced I believe there is some evidence for milk but not fermented cheeses eg cheddar.

I was vegetarian for 30 years prior to getting PC I now eat whatever I fancy because life is for living!

Oh and of course you really don't want any unfermented soya it's full of oestrogens!

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The most reliable research all seems to conclude the same things. Burnt food, fried food in old fat, heavily processed meat, high dairy intake, food wrapped / cooked in cling film, water in battered plastic bottles are all carcinogenic. They can lead to a number of different cancers. As far as PCa goes, the Prostate Cancer Research foundation concluded that muscle meat, dairy, processed foods are all bad for the prostate and that if we cut these things out of little boys' diets, PCa could be eradicated. However, they also concluded that there is little point cutting these things out of your diet once you have been diagnosed. Lots of men would disagree strongly with this and in the end, if someone feels that they are giving themselves the best shot at remission or longevity of HT by changing their diet then who is to say that they are wrong.

We were already a no cling film, no plastic bottles, no microwave, no chip pan house because of the link between these things and brain tumours. When John was first diagnosed, I cut out all dairy, meat, etc and seriously upped his intake of onions, garlic, processed tomatoes and oily fish. Soya is good, barbecuing is bad. It took me a while to realise he was cheating whenever I turned my back; now he eats what he likes in moderation but still very little dairy.

Diet and PCa is s very interesting and contraversal subject. From what I have read:

All meat and fish produce heterocyclic amines when cooked especially at high temperature. I think poultry skin is worst. Heterocyclic amines are carcinogenic.

Some studies have found eggs to also be an influence on PCa. Maybe because of the high choline content.

Dairy is high in Insulin Like Growth Factor (IGF-1) and growth hormones. Both stimulate rapid growth of cells which is why it is good for all new born mammals but suspected to be an influence on the growth of cancer cells.

Processed tomatoes are good because of high lycopene content which is an anti oxidant, but tinned tomatoes being acidic can absorb BPA from the plastic lining the tin. BPA, present in most plastics is also carcinogenic.

As I said just what I've read. We all make our own choices on diet depending on attitude to risk and what we believe or choose not to believe.

I believe in giving myself the best chance I can and while I'm not totally convinced by some opinions I think there is enough evidence even if not conclusive to warrant almost cutting out the foods mentioned above and adding the ones thought to be beneficial.

I also believe that excercise and being a healthy weight are major factors in boosting our general health and I'm about 2.5 stone lighter than pre DX.

If I ever do get a reccurrence at least I'll know I did all I could. If I don't then I'll never know if life style played a part or not. Plus I'm enjoying feeling generally fitter and healthier than I have for many years.

I should probably just add that alcohol Is still part of my lifestyle, but now it's weekends only. Like I said we all make our choices. It's about QoL as well.

All the best to you all

Cheers

Bill

This just dropped into my inbox....

https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/health/norwich-study-into-broccoli-garlic-and-prostate-cancer-1-6219976

worth a read.

Flexi

One of the talks at the Tackle 2019 conference was based on environmentally driven PCa likely being triggered by what happens during puberty. Two good correlations found so far in this work are lack of vitamin D (mapped from lack of playing outdoors), and having had acne during puberty.

That's an interesting profile Barry and he lasted around 11 years from the age of 51.  He had extra-capsular extension but no real spread for quite a few years.   So did diet stop it spreading faster.   

His profile suggests he had bowel problems for some time before diagnosis and much of his diet was linked to problems with HT and RT.   Although I only read it once.

At the moment I've cut back but not stopped eating dairy.  I don't eat much meat anyway.

"unprocessed red meat is not associated with an increased risk of lethal prostate cancer"

Pretty conclusive when the thesis being tested was the opposite!

Plenty of vegetables, stay slim, don't eat chicken skins!

Another report mentioned what you said that acne in puberty gave a 6 X more chance of developing prostate cancer in later life.

I had a bad time with acne in my late teens so have certainly followed this unfortunate pattern.

I expect that when we get to the point we know what causes PCa, there will be a whole string of things like acne, Vit D deficiency, and other things as yet not discovered.

There will still be some people who get PCa who had none of the known triggers though. It will probably be something like a baseline 1 in 40 chance of getting it (I just made up that value), but a whole load of specific things that multiply that chance up so it becomes the 1 in 8 on average that we see today.