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Dairy Free or Reduced Diet

User
Posted 24 Oct 2019 at 17:39

More information in the Times on 22nd October 2019 about dairy and plant based diet affecting the prostate. 

In summary, if you read right through:  Dairy is still inconclusive, but plant based could be good.

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Link to the article behind paywall probably:  https://www.thetimes.co.uk/past-six-days/2019-10-22/news/dairy-heavy-diet-linked-to-prostate-cancer-risk-22n3gfl6w

 

Eating lots of dairy products gives an increased risk of prostate cancer while men who follow a plant-based diet are at the lowest risk, analysis suggests.

Researchers examined 47 studies published between 2006 and 2017 and found that men with a dairy-heavy diet were up to 65 per cent more likely to develop prostate cancer. It has been suggested that calcium may be a factor.

Scientists at the Mayo Clinic in the US did not quantify how much milk, cheese, butter or yoghurt constituted a large amount but concluded: “Our review of the literature suggests that consumption of higher amounts of plant-based foods may be associated with decreased prostate cancer risk, and higher amounts of dairy products may be associated with increased risk.”

Researchers found no link with meat or fish but said that those following vegan diets were up to 36 per cent less likely to develop the condition. About 11,700 men die of prostate cancer in the UK each year.

More than a million people were examined across the 47 studies. The researchers said that of 22 studies on the link between “total dairy” consumption and prostate cancer, eight had found that dairy products increased the risk, 13 found that it made no difference and one linked it to a lower risk.

Ten studies out of 22 found that milk increased the risk, ten found that it made no difference and two found that it decreased the risk. A higher risk was shown by one of nine studies on cheese, one of five on butter and cream and two of nine on yoghurt. The rest showed that consumption of these products made no difference.

Prostate Cancer UK warns on its website: “Eating or drinking lots of dairy products . . . might increase your risk. We don’t know why this is but it might be because of the calcium.”

 

John Shin, an oncologist at the Mayo Clinic, said: “Our review highlighted a cause for concern with high consumption of dairy. The findings also support a growing body of evidence on the potential benefits of plant-based diets.” He said more research was needed.

Tom Sanders, professor of nutrition and dietetics at King’s College London, said the research did “not justify the strong conclusions”. The World Cancer Research Fund had conducted a “far more rigorous review”, he said, which found that “being overweight or obese were the only dietary factors probably associated with risk of prostate cancer”.

He added that the new review “only considered dairy and calcium intake as a possible cause” but did not have sufficient evidence to prove the link.

Sophia Lowes from Cancer Research UK said the analysis did not comment on the quality of the studies it analysed and did not clarify whether they examined only the risk of aggressive prostate cancer, as opposed to benign.

“We don’t think the evidence is strong enough to warrant a change in our guidance for men,” she said. “We need more high-quality research.”

 

User
Posted 25 Oct 2019 at 10:55
Sounds pretty inconclusive to me either way!

How many people on this planet have eaten a plant based diet from birth anyway??

Who knows what the cumulative effect of natural toxins in plants that discourage their consumption (especially by organisms not evolved to eat them like humans!!) will have when consumed for a life time.

So if you want to give yourself the best chance at enjoying a long life - maximise your leafy veg intake and eat sensible amounts of the foods we were designed to eat. So that probably means minimise dairy but don't avoid it completely, after all we would probably have relished consuming Auroch udders including milk after we had chased and killed it.

User
Posted 26 Oct 2019 at 01:35

There probably is something in dairy, but lack of consistency between studies implies they are not taking something into account which is very significant.

If I was to guess what that was, it would be that dairy consumed up to the end of puberty might be significant, but dairy consumed after puberty isn't. This would tie up with some other risk factors which have been found, although I'm not aware that researcher has looked at dairy as yet.

Edited by member 26 Oct 2019 at 01:36  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 26 Oct 2019 at 13:24

Andy,  if that was true it could be a reason for me.   When I was at school I used to finish off the crate of free milk just about every day which sometimes would be pints of milk, they were 1/3 pint bottles.   Although I don't know why that should be a reason almost 60 years later.

User
Posted 27 Oct 2019 at 08:43
I read somewhere that milk is high in IGF-1 (insulin like growth factor) and contains many different growth hormones. Milk is what is fed to all young infant mammals and promotes rapid cell growth. If I have any Cancer cells on my body the last thing I want is to promote rapid cell growth. Just my opinion though.

Meat that is cooked at high temperatures produces Heterocyclic Amines which are a known carcinogen. Red meat and poultry skin are the worst, with barbecue compounding the issue because as well as the high temperature the fat drips onto the fire and burns. The smoke produced contains more Heterocyclic Amines.

Cheers

Bill

User
Posted 27 Oct 2019 at 09:21

"Similarly, your thigh bones don't continue to grow as an adult when you consume milk. Wierd but true. Nor does your nose."
😂

True but cancer cells might.

Like I said just my opinion. There's enough possibility for me to avoid dairy. The only thing I miss is cheese which I eat occasionally.

The red meat and Heterocyclic Amines bit is fact.

Cheers

Bill

 

Cheers
Bill

Edited by member 27 Oct 2019 at 09:34  | Reason: Added

User
Posted 27 Oct 2019 at 11:10
I disagree Heenan; the Prostate Cancer Research Foundation recommends reducing dairy intake, the NCI published persuasive data in 2017 on the benefit of women with advanced breast cancer reducing dairy intake, and the Mayo Clinic, MSK and increasing numbers of cancer specialists in the UK all state that cutting down on dairy may slow down cancer growth. It was a specific topic at the urological oncology national conference 3 or 4 years ago - Si’s onco came to the Leicester meet and spoke about it.

As stated before, there is an increasing body of evidence that if we changed the diets of young boys, prostate cancer might eventually be eradicated - Mr P told John and I about the research data on that nearly 10 years ago so it is nothing new. There is also some data to suggest that diet adjustments may help to slow down the progression of advanced PCa, or at least to not work against the treatments. What doesn’t seem to exist is any evidence or even indicative data to support the idea that changing diet will have any impact on a man that has had successful radical treatment (beyond that of becoming healthier, fitter, etc)

Bill, the burnt food thing is spot on. The research around brain tumours (where most of my interest and reading lies) and familial / environmental factors is fascinating but particularly:

- regularly eating burnt food, including barbecued

- chips cooked in a pan of oil that was rarely changed

- food cooked or wrapped in cling film

- compromised water supply and the wholesale addition of chemicals

- possible links with radon affected areas

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 27 Oct 2019 at 20:05
Heenan for the majority of cancers there is zero evidence that eating meat causes anything.

There is however lots of evidence that eating a well balanced diet reduces all cancer.

User
Posted 27 Oct 2019 at 20:58
I spent six months on a ship with a fellow officer who wasn’t allowed to drink alcohol at all due to his religion. He sat at the bar wanting to join in and really wanted to at least try rum and raisin ice cream. Not sure where I’m going here but really ? ...... Recently there has been a change in risk for red and processed meat. Now it seems ok. There was the whole don’t eat butter and have margarine. Then there was the whole margarine and polyunsaturated fats cause cancer. Then the egg thing. Should I say to my son don’t eat meat , don’t enjoy cheese , try not to drink alcohol or caffeine, never have a hot-dog or burger , avoid bacon and salami etc , and you will live a long healthy happy cancer-free life. Soz but I don’t believe any of this, but have many vegetarian and vegan friends who look really healthy to be honest , but actually are off work sick a lot

If life gives you lemons , then make lemonade

 
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