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Spirituality and diet

User
Posted 29 Jun 2019 at 07:10

Hot flashes/flushes I've moved this post to this thread from a more general forum

As always, I'm not posting to preach or to cause offence, but as soon as I found this post on

https://www.drugs.com/answers

I followed Highstrider47's advice... and they stopped, every time they tried. So I'm posting it for anyone who wants to try this approach -David

Highstrider47 27 Aug 2018

Hi - I posted about an hour ago but haven't seen it posted yet. I have had 4, 3 month shots of Lupron. Most serious side effect is/was hot flashes. I would drip sweat down my face and my shirt would turn damp. Am 70 years old and still working so this is totally disadvantageous. As a Christian man, I prayed and the Holy Spirit told me that the devil (the father of all lies) was sending a spirit of lies to my hippthalamus that I needed more heat, so my hippthalamus kicked in, resulting in a hot flash. I now pray against that spirit of lies, rebuking it, and commanding in the powerful name of Jesus, it be gone from my body and my mind. It works, and is a constant statement of faith that Jesus loves us and wants the best for us.

User
Posted 19 Jul 2019 at 18:07

Spirituality and healing

This encouraging  testimony is on Prostate.Net

https://prostatecancer.net/living/becoming-cancer-warrior/?utm_source=weekly&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=07dab36e-79d2-4adf-9cc4-3c40aca9c86a&utm_confid=sovkmsupw&aGVhbHRoIHVuaW9uIGJsYWg=213a3ac4514be06cafecad5a9aab90f68803666ba928e6b85ba282942111aca4

Fight the fight and stay strong - Barcud

A follow up article on Prostate.Net

https://prostatecancer.net/living/power-hope/?utm_source=weekly&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=07dab36e-79d2-4adf-9cc4-3c40aca9c86a&utm_confid=sovkmsupw&aGVhbHRoIHVuaW9uIGJsYWg=213a3ac4514be06cafecad5a9aab90f68803666ba928e6b85ba282942111aca4

 

 

Edited by member 19 Jul 2019 at 18:16  | Reason: Forgot to sign off/found the follow up article

User
Posted 19 Jul 2019 at 21:26
I've read through this thread with interest. Pre diagnosis I rarely went to church then not long after the news one of those people who come into your life and then before leaving asked me to go to church (which actually lead to confirmation - to my faith not church). At church the unshockable Ray, who was seriously not going ahead with treatment (looking back how silly), froze to the spot when it seemed the earth had stooped with the message in no uncertain terms you will have treatment. I think you might regard that as faith stepping in? Do I or just co-incidence and emotions? That's the background to my asking, of which I don't intend to offend, is whilst I feel its right to pray for someone else its not so for yourself. I gather you might have a different view to that?.

Ray

User
Posted 20 Jul 2019 at 06:23
Thanks Ray, that's brilliant - like St Paul said "All things work together for good to those who love God". I'll do a personal reply later...a lot on today
User
Posted 21 Jul 2019 at 08:56
Thanks for the food for thought pm. A copy here may help those on the PCa path decide whether praying for oneself is for them or not. I'm not yet convinced but thats not saying I'm right.

Ray

User
Posted 21 Jul 2019 at 12:13
Thanks Ray for the permission to put this in the public domain:

Hi Ray, just read your really encouraging profile. Gotta go soon - to a festival (Lafrowda in St Just) where I'll be praying for folk with pain or medical/other difficulties. If you read my whole thread you'll know why I believe in miracles🙂...including for me.

This translation really helped me

a translation from the Aramaic of John 16:23-4

"All things that you ask straightly and directly from inside my name you shall be given. So far you have not done this. Ask without hidden motive and be surrounded by your answer. Be enveloped by what you desire, that your gladness be full."

To pray with real power, we must be free of selfishness. I want to be alive and well for Jill, my wife, our very large extended family, and for everything my Heavenly Father wants to do through me. for everyone I can bring happiness and well-being to in the years ahead. So I pray for myself too 🙂

Blessings - David (on Facebook as David Derrington and miraclesincornwall)

User
Posted 04 Sep 2019 at 16:24

Hi

Good to hear of those who have a faith in God, as I do.  God is good, and He is able to do great things.  His peace sustains me in the midst of all the cancer stuff going on.

User
Posted 04 Sep 2019 at 16:39
With you Dave in the peace that passes all understanding... who needs to understand when we're surrounded by His Peace? - David
User
Posted 04 Sep 2019 at 21:21
Why do the Mods allow this Bible bashing drivel?
User
Posted 04 Sep 2019 at 21:31
Some of us don't think it is drivel. The title of the thread should be a bit of an indicator that the content might be something you don't need to read?
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 04 Sep 2019 at 21:34
We’re here to support one another, Jasper. If someone finds their religious faith to be a useful support mechanism, I’m not going to say anything about that, whatever my personal opinion about it may be.

Best wishes,

Chris

User
Posted 05 Sep 2019 at 08:58
That is insulting, Heenan - what right do you have to say that I or anyone else here is retreating into fantasy? If the thread involved any of our Muslim or Jewish members talking about their faith, you would think twice before saying such things.

If you don't like the conversation, don't read the thread. No-one forces you to click on it.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 05 Sep 2019 at 12:23
Well said, Lyn. I have no religious faith myself, but if such faith brings people strength and comfort, that can only be a good thing.

All the best,

Chris

User
Posted 05 Sep 2019 at 14:43

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
That is insulting, Heenan - what right do you have to say that I or anyone else here is retreating into fantasy? If the thread involved any of our Muslim or Jewish members talking about their faith, you would think twice before saying such things.

If you don't like the conversation, don't read the thread. No-one forces you to click on it.

The same right you have to say it's insulting!

Personally I was on this thread for the Diet component.

User
Posted 05 Sep 2019 at 14:59
It is 47 weeks since any meaningful information regarding diet was included on this thread 🤔
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 05 Sep 2019 at 15:04
Even atheists live in hope!
User
Posted 05 Sep 2019 at 16:42
😂
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 05 Sep 2019 at 17:16

Thanks Lyn for all your posts, and for noting the change in balance of my posts on this thread. In many ways it represents my personal journey since the shock of the diagnosis just over 12 months ago. My diet changed drastically at that time and the posts reflect this. Over the months I have stopped weekly reporting to Care Across about diet and exercise, but I continue to follow their advice in a more relaxed way (no red meat, a little more dairy than they recommend and recently, much less exercise while my broken wrist has been healing up).

In terms of getting and staying cancer-free, the spirituality element has been far more important for me...as documented in the posts since about April. But diet enters into this. I know that if I reverted to my pre-diagnosis "eat and drink whatever I want" diet I would not have the faith that my present level of well-being will continue. So "no red meat, basic vegetarian diet, careful with dairy and alcohol" is very much a personal spiritual issue.  I see staying in that place of faith as crucial to my remaining cancer-free, so I will not do anything to prejudice it.

A short time after I took the decision, in consultation with my oncologist, to stop all ADT, I discovered that 2 friends of mine had done the same thing. They are both church leaders, one older, the other younger than me, the younger with 12 yrs of negligible PSA the other with 2 yrs. Their experiences have been a great encouragement to me, and as I'm sure you are well aware, what I've posted has been in the same spirit - to encourage those who, while grateful for medical support, believe that there may be additional healing resources which could help them beat cancer and to offer them pointers for their journey from what has worked for me.

Thank you for your understanding replies to some who have been offended by posts on this thread - David

 

User
Posted 08 Sep 2019 at 18:22

Diet and CareAcross

The immediate big changes in my life following diagnosis (apart from hospital and doctor's appointments) were dietary. All my adult life I'd been able to eat and drink as I wished without any evident weight or medical problems. Now I start hearing all sorts of messages about the importance of diet in getting (and staying) cancer-free.

I soon found https://prostatecancer.careacross.com. OK its advice and monitoring are computer-generated, but any time I hit a problem, a real-life person got back to sort it. The CareAcross programme with its personalised comments and suggestions really helped me settle, after about 2 months, into a diet and exercise regime that I (and my wife) could live with and that I could believe was going to help in dealing with the diagnosis. CareAcross are very good in keeping you up to date with details of new treatments or research.

So what diet did I follow? Basically vegetarian with no red meat, no eggs, limited chicken and fish, protein from nuts (especially Brazil nuts – 6 a day) and pulses, 5 a day fruit/veg esp broccoli and kale, sensible dairy/alcohol/sugar. As supplements – turmeric (golden paste), ground flaxseed, Omega 3, green tea (Matcha is the nicest)...and 85% dark chocolate.

I'd never done planned exercise before. Mostly 20 mins resistance exercises and running every 2-3 days. When I'm in Wales, up a mountain/wild swimming every 2-3 days.

I feel very well on this diet and go faster/further than younger family members in anything long-or medium-distance. I see it as an important part of staying cancer-free, strengthening the spiritual side of my battle.

10 years ago I was due to have an operation on my right eye, with warnings that it must not be delayed for more than 3 months. I have a precious picture of the retina of that eye, with every single blood vessel joined up perfectly, taken when I asked for re-assessment near the end of the 3 months. The notes sent to my GP by Mr. Lxxxxx from St Thomas's said “the patient's strong religious faith and positive outlook were significant in his spontaneous recovery”.

Diet, for me, is a big part of this faith-battle. Not because of some religious teaching, but simply to make it easier for my body to fight cancer and to keep it clear of what current medical research indicates as risky. I'm not going to shorten the odds against another “spontaneous recovery”.

Speaking to my body

“This doesn't happen. You're regenerating your retina” Mr Lxxxxx told me 10 years ago. I didn't use those words, but I (and others) had been telling my right eye to do that over the previous 3 months. OK, that might sound stupid, but eventually the eye actually did what I told it to do. Not the first time. “Keep believing” said a friend of mine. I did...and it happened.

I could see some of the healing taking place inside my eye so it was easy to know it had happened. Not so easy with PCa, when you have no symptoms. But about April this year I realised that without any white knuckles or mental gymnastics I was believing that the tumour and everything associated with it had done what I'd been telling it to do. It had shrunk, disintegrated and left my body. There was no “doubt in my heart” or in my mind. So I notified my GP and oncologist of my decision not to have any more Prostap injections, because I didn't believe I needed them.

Just like with my right eye, I'd been speaking to the tumour, only this time for about 8 months, on the basis of an ancient teaching that more recently is being given serious attention, particularly in the light of particle physics and quantum mechanics.* “If anyone believes...that 1. what they say will come to pass, and 2. does not doubt in their heart, it shall be done for them”. Just two conditions...and anyone can do it, said Jesus of Nazareth.(Gospel of Mark ch. 11 v. 22-24)

 

August 2018, after diagnosis, I believed that I could speak and cause changes in my body. I'd seen it happen for me and for many others. But...there was doubt in my heart. I couldn't believe, at that time, for getting cancer-free without any treatment. So I agreed to the Prostap injections – I had 3 with no serious side effects. PSA quickly plummeted from 58 to unrecordable, where it has stayed.

April 2019 – There's no medical proof, of course. Faith is spelt – RISK. The unrecordable PSA could be residual Prostap, but my faith rose over the months to the point where it overtook the doubt. I discovered that 2 friends (one with 12 yrs low PSA, the other with 2 yrs) had each made the same decision as me, for the same reasons. It's happening for them – why not for me?

12 months on, I've gone into a lot of detail, not to prove anything or to proselytise and certainly not to offend anyone, but because I believe anyone can fight cancer this way if they want to and that guys facing a PCa diagnosis need to know all the options to make quality decisions. The forums on Prostate Cancer UK are there to do that and do it so well. And there are those on the forums who one way or another are fighting PCa spiritually. Knowing some of the details of my journey may help or encourage them.

* Energy Medicine: The Scientific Basis, James L. Oschman (Churchill Livingstone)

 

 

 

 

 

User
Posted 08 Sep 2019 at 19:09
How long is it since you had your last Prostap injection?

Best wishes,

Chris

 
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