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Ever Decreasing Circles part three

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Posted 22 Dec 2015 at 11:34

Ok oncologist check up today and I saw yet another one in the team, this time a man! Bad news is PSA has begun to rise from a steady state of mid twenties up to 38 which takes it back to what it was like a year ago when I started casodex. So the casodex journey is over, the onco considers me as hormone refractory. Bit of a blow just before Christmas but not unexpected. I am having a CT Scan and further PSA to create a baseline before enzalutimide starts in about five weeks. Enzo chosen because of my diabetes. Xmas slows down the CT scan process so a short wait but PSA has only returned to what it was a year ago so I do not think a few weeks will make a difference.

I suppose I was expecting this with some increased pain in the last few weeks and increased tiredness and he has given me some oramorph if the pain returns. At the moment when I rest well it's not too bad but I got too tired at the Euston Flyer and the discomfort of the seats led to a bad reaction and I really had a bad week after that. I could have done with better pain relief then so it's good to have some in reserve.

So can I wish everyone a great Christmas wherever you are on your journey. My circles have narrowed a bit more but let's hope the new drug will give me a back in the new year.

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Posted 22 Dec 2015 at 11:41

Hi Paul
So sorry you've received this news at this time of the year , not untypical heh . I just want to wish you well also and hope the Enzo works a treat . I guess I may be teaching you to suck eggs , but you can take codeine , ibuprofen and paracetamol all together every 4 hours as stated on the packets . I realise your pain is probably surpassing that but it works for me when I suffer .
All the best
Chris

If life gives you lemons , then make lemonade

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Posted 22 Dec 2015 at 17:07

Thinking of you Paul and hoping the pain becomes manageable, especially at this seasonal time.

Christmas makes everything so much worse doesn't it, and yet the situation is the same.

As you say, your circles may be decreasing but the ripples on the pond that reflect your journey with PCa can only have inspired others given your determination and optimism in the past. Indeed, into the future too since you are already thinking in terms of a new year.

Best Wishes and as Happy a Christmas as you can have with this hanging over you

We can't control the winds - but we can adjust our sails
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Posted 22 Dec 2015 at 17:28

Thanks Chris. It all started about four years ago so there is a certain symmetry to developments. A year ago I started casodex so if this holds maybe I'll get a year out of enzo, we live in hope! I am aware of the combination for pain killing and tried something similar when it would not shift but it wasn't enough. So not intending to use the oramorph unless I get into pain I cannot shift but good to have the back up.

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Posted 22 Dec 2015 at 17:48
Paul

I am saddened to hear this but not at all surprised. You looked to be in significant pain when you came for dinner the other Sunday.

Talking of pain, the theory in the hospice is that once the pain gets a hold it is really hard to shift it. The consultants there advise patients to ask for more pain relief if the pain reaches a level 5 on a 1 to 10 scale.

Also be mindful that once oramorph is opened it has a fairly short shelf life (90 days rings a bell)

Our pharmacy used to dispense it in smaller bottles when Mick first started using it.

I know you well enough by now to know that you will just carry on as you always do with amazing fortitude and a significant dollop of stoicism.

All my best wishes

Xx

Mo

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Posted 22 Dec 2015 at 18:02

Thanks Sandra. It will not impact upon my Christmas. It has always been a poignant time for me for mainly good (so many wonderful memories of Christmas with my two children and my own childhood) occasionally a bit challenging (I was in hospital having RT for testicular cancer Xmas 1982 and my dad was taking seriously ill Christmas Eve) but we have always managed to get stuck into the day and make the best of it. This year is no exception. Whilst it is always difficult to move on in this journey I have no illusions that moving on will take place. The timetable has key events on it even if the actual timing is at the will of my body against the cancer. So I have reached the next twist in the road and I always start hopeful I get a bit of time before the next twist. But I do know other twists will arrive and I am comfortable with that. Meanwhile it's time to enjoy Christmas. Have a good one Sandra.

Thanks Mo. The pain is manageable most of the time with ordinary pain killers but occasionally it becomes more severe and so the oramorph will help that as it is relatively quick acting. If I rest and do not spend too much time in seats which aggregate my pubic bone I am ok. So I will take care but am hoping to have a peaceful time over the next month and see if this enzo will help when it starts in late January.

User
Posted 22 Dec 2015 at 20:02
Paul

Sorry to hear about your latest development,your calm attitude to the situation never ceases to amaze me. I know you will have a good Xmas and I will raise a glass to you on Xmas day.

Love Chris and Dawn

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Posted 22 Dec 2015 at 20:11

Sorry that the PSA has crept up Paul. But you obviously had an inkling.
I have no doubt you will shelve this until the new year and not let it spoil your xmas. Hopefully you will get any pain under control now you have been prescribed the pain killer.

See you in the new year

Bri

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Posted 22 Dec 2015 at 21:22

You have responded well so far, I hope the enzo is long-lived and without too many side effects.

Have a wonderful Christmas my friend xxx

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 22 Dec 2015 at 21:41

Hi Paul sorry to hear your news hope all goes well in Jan have a great xmas and new year Andy

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Posted 22 Dec 2015 at 23:02
Paul

I'm so sorry to read this, I was hopeful you'd get longer on Casodex but John only lasted 3 horrible months and yet 2.5 years on Stillbestrill - there's no rhyme or reason sometimes is there? Rest and pain relief is part of the answer, I know your enquiring mind will be reading and enjoying some down time after so long working, not many men make it to four years and working with advanced cancer. I'm pretty sure the Enzo will give you significant relief my friend. Here's to a lovely festive season, surrounded by family and friends.

Much love

Devonmaid xxx

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Posted 23 Dec 2015 at 11:39
Sorry to read this Paul , I have everything crossed that the Enzo will work for a long time to come as Alison says quite why some drugs seem to work for years and others not is a mystery.

Happy Xmas X

BFN

Julie X

NEVER LAUGH AT A LIVE DRAGON
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Posted 23 Dec 2015 at 13:46

We do feel for you, Paul; Tony's cancer started romping away beyond the reach of hormones by October. At this stage the pain had returned and was getting quite severe. He had been taking various analgesics in a rather haphazard, as-needed way, but eventually phoned the GP who was great. She prescribed Solpadol (paracetamol plus codeine) plus ibroprofen, four times a day, no messing about. Within a day or two he was pain-free.

He started Enzalutamide, but continued taking the pain relief for a month more, until he was sure it was working. When his PSA went down again, he phased out the painkillers and is still pain-free. He had a few nights when he felt a bit strange and jumpy, probably because of stopping the codeine, but that was brief. Today he is in the middle of shifting two tons of gravel from our gate to the far end of the garden by wheelbarrow (not all today, this is a work in progress!). He doesn't have the energy he did, and needs to sleep more, but we can live with that. Otherwise he feels and looks well, and is enjoying his food and drink. We know we're on borrowed time, but that will do nicely for now and will at least allow us a Christmas that is something like normal.

I hope the "magic beans" work as well for you, when you get them In the meantime, be kind to yourself and keep taking the tablets to stay on top of the pain.

Marje

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Posted 23 Dec 2015 at 14:26
Marje

I know this is Paul's conversation but I also know he won't mind me using it to say how really pleased I was to read that Tony is doing so well again. A real boost for you both ..brilliant news

all the best

xx

Mo

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Posted 23 Dec 2015 at 14:52

Thank you, Mo. The support and understanding on this forum, from you and others, has been really valuable to us during this last 15 months, and I'm sure this will continue in the difficult times ahead. But for now, let's all enjoy Christmas in the best way we can.
Season's greetings to all,
Marje

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Posted 23 Dec 2015 at 15:36

Marje, this is wonderful news - I hope we have similar great feedback from Yorkhull in a couple of months' time x

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 23 Dec 2015 at 15:43

Thanks everyone for your kind messages, I am feeling ok really. It's just another keg of this journey. Thanks too to Allison I seemed to jumped a bit in my journey but you are right I have had four great years working and this year will be retirement and new opportunities. And let,s hope I can report back in 2017!

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Posted 23 Dec 2015 at 15:47

Just seen your comments Marje, most encouraging. I was thinking that if it works then I should get a bit of pain relief but most of the time I am ok, particularly if I rest properly. great to hear the positive impact on Tony though I hope I don't start moving gravel, not really something I have ever wanted to do! Have a good Christmas all.

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Posted 23 Dec 2015 at 18:26
Bugger where did than come from probably mo roast pork

No need to say put it to the back of your mind I know you to well it's in the back of your mind out the door and down the road

Have a great Christmas mate and look forward to seeing you in the new year

Si ness and the girls

Don't deny the diagnosis; try to defy the verdict
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Posted 23 Dec 2015 at 20:59
Hi Paul

sorry to hear your news but in true Paul style you wont dwell on this.

I hope the Enzo gives you more quality

time on your retirement.

Sending best wishes to you

Carol

 
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