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Hormone therapy ending?

User
Posted 15 May 2020 at 06:47

I had my final Goose injection, 3 months ago - what side effects will I probably have? I'm still on a 5mg Tadalafil. It does feel a bit odd already.

Any experiences of others, much apriciated.

Bob

User
Posted 15 May 2020 at 19:31

Hi Bob,

Can't say I've heard of a Goose injection.  It doesn't sound very pleasant.  Sorry I can't advise on side effects.  

Regards
Peter

User
Posted 15 May 2020 at 22:42
Ha ha - goserelin was changed to goose by auto correct!

Sometime in the next few months you should start to get your testosterone back, or at least some of it. You may start to feel more randy, chest and facial hair may grow more and if you were affected by fatigue that should be starting to improve.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 16 May 2020 at 05:37

Puberty Mark II ?

I hope to be following you in a year or two, so watching eagerly.

User
Posted 16 May 2020 at 18:33

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
Ha ha - goserelin was changed to goose by auto correct!

Sometime in the next few months you should start to get your testosterone back, or at least some of it. You may start to feel more randy, chest and facial hair may grow more and if you were affected by fatigue that should be starting to improve.

Yes, Goserelin ! - thanks for the info, I've been getting a bit achy - feeling more like a man after the ladies, would be a vast improvement - my lady says😄 Thanks for the tips, further ones welcomed. 

User
Posted 16 May 2020 at 19:10

I guessed that Goose was meant to be goserelin, but I genuinely thought, this must be street slang. A bit like speed for amphetamine.

Anyway my last goose (see I'm getting down with the kids) injection was 3 Feb, so I reckon I'm about three weeks ahead of you. Anyway I've not noticed any changes yet. If and when I do get a spontaneous erection, I will be shouting it from the roof tops. 

Dave

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Posted 18 May 2020 at 07:55

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

I guessed that Goose was meant to be goserelin, but I genuinely thought, this must be street slang. A bit like speed for amphetamine.

Anyway my last goose (see I'm getting down with the kids) injection was 3 Feb, so I reckon I'm about three weeks ahead of you. Anyway I've not noticed any changes yet. If and when I do get a spontaneous erection, I will be shouting it from the roof tops. 

Thanks, the Tadalafil helps with the latter problem, though I think it can cause Heartburn.

User
Posted 18 May 2020 at 08:33

Yes I've tried three types of pde5 inhibitors, they all gave me heartburn. I think there are four, so I have one more to try.

A side effect of coming off maybe emotional problems. Prior to ADT I was a bit of an ice cube emotionally, during ADT I melted a little, this last week I have been boiling. There are other things going on in my life, but maybe the change in hormones is affecting me more than I thought. 

 

Dave

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Posted 18 May 2020 at 16:40

They are likely to all have the same effect. Most of the PDE5 inhibitor side effects are due to them inhibiting other PDE's too, and given this varies between the drugs, switching drugs can often resolve it.

However, the heartburn is caused by inhibiting PDE5 itself, which is also used by the smooth muscle of the esophagus and lower esophageal sphincter. It causes them to relax (like it does the smooth muscle around the arteries in the penis). However, in some people, that's enough to allow acid reflux, and for food to be swallowed more slowly and not always completely.

There are some things that may help.

The effect is very dose-specific. See if a smaller dose works for erections, and maybe doesn't cause heartburn.

You could try leaving it long enough after eating for your stomach to have cleared, e.g. 2 hours. (PDE5 inhibitors work best on an empty stomach anyway.)

You could try taking them with an indigestion tablet, although beware that long term acid reflux can cause esophageal cancer.

Do try the forth one, but I don't hold out a lot of hope. Trying smaller doses of all of them might be worth a try too.

By the way, I've not yet come across anyone who's tried Spedra/Avanafil, although it should be available to prostate cancer patients on the NHS if the others don't work. It's the most expensive, as it's the only one still on patent (until September, anyway).

Edited by member 18 May 2020 at 17:36  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 18 May 2020 at 19:10

Thanks Andy, I got a packet of spedra on prescription, having tried tadanafil and cialis. I took one tablet and once more got the indigestion. I often get acid relux so anything which will make it worse is a bad idea. With being on ADT I was always fighting a losing battle anyway, so I have quite a few half used packets of pde5 inhibitors lying around. Once the ADT has been out of my system for a few months I will try them again and see if I can get a dose that works. 

Dave

User
Posted 18 May 2020 at 20:14
Maybe just push for injectable ED therapy. Nowhere near as scary as it sounds.

If life gives you lemons , then make lemonade

User
Posted 18 May 2020 at 21:43

Dave 

Don't forget stimulation will be required and probably more than before.

I resisted sticking a needle in my penis for five years, as CJ says nowhere as bad as it sounds.

Thanks Chris

User
Posted 18 May 2020 at 22:31
OK, I can see the sense of going for injections, get to the root of the problem. I've only been off ADT for a matter of weeks so I think I will wait a few months before I go for more aggressive ED treatment. Things do still function down there with a lot of stimulation so I'm hopeful once testosterone recovers I may be able to do something with it.

Dave

User
Posted 19 May 2020 at 07:36

Thanks Andy - I'll try cutting back to one every other day - let you know if that helps.

I'm now taking it every other day, & a good improvement in the Acid indigestion. Thanks Andy.

Also, so far - no problem, with ED !

Edited by member 28 May 2020 at 08:07  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 01 Jun 2020 at 09:18

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

They are likely to all have the same effect. Most of the PDE5 inhibitor side effects are due to them inhibiting other PDE's too, and given this varies between the drugs, switching drugs can often resolve it.

However, the heartburn is caused by inhibiting PDE5 itself, which is also used by the smooth muscle of the esophagus and lower esophageal sphincter. It causes them to relax (like it does the smooth muscle around the arteries in the penis). However, in some people, that's enough to allow acid reflux, and for food to be swallowed more slowly and not always completely.

There are some things that may help.

The effect is very dose-specific. See if a smaller dose works for erections, and maybe doesn't cause heartburn.

You could try leaving it long enough after eating for your stomach to have cleared, e.g. 2 hours. (PDE5 inhibitors work best on an empty stomach anyway.)

You could try taking them with an indigestion tablet, although beware that long term acid reflux can cause esophageal cancer.

Do try the forth one, but I don't hold out a lot of hope. Trying smaller doses of all of them might be worth a try too.

By the way, I've not yet come across anyone who's tried Spedra/Avanafil, although it should be available to prostate cancer patients on the NHS if the others don't work. It's the most expensive, as it's the only one still on patent (until September, anyway).

Thanks for your help Andy, as I posted above - I've been taking 5mg every other day & that has virtually eliminated the Heartburn & Reflux that I was getting, I'm going to ask Doc to prescribe 2.5mg version, if taking it every other day has other problems....

These problems that are sent to try us...... Bob

EDIT - I spoke to the Forum Nurse this morning, she said now I'm off the HT & it is leaving my system, she thought that the Tadalafil's effect was being reduced by the HT, so I need a lower Tad dose, anyway.
Interesting POV. Yes, cutting pill in half, might be an option....
Thanks Andy.

Edited by member 01 Jun 2020 at 10:32  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 01 Jun 2020 at 09:36

Oh, excellent.

You could try breaking them in half, although they are film coated and I don't know why. (I have occasionally chewed one up hoping to make it work faster, without any ill effect I'm aware of.)

The 2.5mg tablets are same price as 5mg tablets, so breaking 5's in half works out half the price (to the NHS).

Edited by member 01 Jun 2020 at 09:37  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 01 Jun 2020 at 10:10
I came off HT (bicalutimide) in mid February, so a little over 3 months ago. I have noticed in the last few weeks that my body odour is definitely returning, so that's certainly a change, but no sign of spontaneous stirrings from the old man yet 😄.

Cheers,

Chris

User
Posted 01 Jun 2020 at 10:27

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
I came off HT (bicalutimide) in mid February, so a little over 3 months ago. I have noticed in the last few weeks that my body odour is definitely returning, so that's certainly a change, but no sign of spontaneous stirrings from the old man yet 😄.

Cheers,

Chris

Perhaps you need some DVD inspiration - EG Sarah Young, for example!!

User
Posted 01 Jun 2020 at 12:08

Hi, 

Things returning to normal after HT can take quite a while. 

It was nearly 10 months before the effects left my system but when they did, it was worth the wait! 👍😄👍

Edited by member 01 Jun 2020 at 12:09  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 01 Jun 2020 at 12:12
I don't have any problems in that department after a little physical assistance, but it's not yet happening without that. Hopefully that'll change as time goes on 🙂.

Cheers,

Chris

 
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