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Does the lack of ejaculation contribute to start of prostate cancer

User
Posted 26 Nov 2017 at 17:53

Yes, that is one of my pet theories - we once had a (very unscientific) poll on here to see how many of the members had a vasectomy. Other things that seem to be quite common among members .... having worked with oils / chemicals, worked in aviation and/or a lot of cycling when younger (but perhaps most young lads do a lot of cycling???).

British research was fairly conclusive that competitive cyclists have a raised PSA but no increased risk of getting prostate cancer; the resulting guidance to urologist was to be more aware of benign link between PSA and frequent cycling to avoid unnecessary biopsies / scans.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 26 Nov 2017 at 18:29

Sadly, now man without, Lyn, with an alternative meaning lol!

Actually, I began to experience slight difficulty getting an erection in my late fifties, although when this was achieved I don't recall there being a reduction in semen (although not being the recipient, I was not best able to say). I put this down to the ageing process and had a shot or two of Testosterone/Viagra from my GP. It was some 15 years later that I was diagnosed with PCa, so whether there was a connection to any of the foregoing, I don't know.

Barry
User
Posted 26 Nov 2017 at 19:00

I’m maybe going to shock here ...
As a youth if I didn’t orgasm regularly I would get really heavy aching balls. Really aching. I spoke to some friends. Some never ever experienced it , others spoke the same. It was worse if involved in fore-play without ejaculation. Your prostate produces seminal fluid all the time and it reacts to stimulation or excitement. The fliuid is stored in the seminal vesicles next to the prostate and a small amount of sperm is added from the attached vas deferens tubes from the testicles. If the whole system “ backs up “ it can cause awful back pressure on the testes which I assure you is very painful. Many a woman doesn’t believe this lol. I think very regular purging of any bodily fluid is a must , whether it be sweat , saliva , faeces , urine etc , but as I said before , regularly ejaculating has not done me any favours at the age of 50.
TMI for a Sunday night ?? Thought I’d just add knowledge

If life gives you lemons , then make lemonade

User
Posted 16 Nov 2018 at 15:04

Johsan - I would have said that it was physically impossible to ejaculate without an erection.   If your body produces a fluid when your penis is not erect, it will be urine, not semen.

User
Posted 16 Nov 2018 at 15:50

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Johsan - I would have said that it was physically impossible to ejaculate without an erection.   If your body produces a fluid when your penis is not erect, it will be urine, not semen.

 

Sorry Dronfield, you are mistaken. Men are able to ejaculate without an erection - we have a paraplegic friend who has been able to produce beautiful children naturally although he cannot get erections. You can't ejaculate with reaching orgasm but fortunately, orgasm without an erection is quite easy to achieve. 

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 16 Nov 2018 at 16:14

I haven’t read any of the previous posts, but I did read somewhere that regular ejaculation and expulsion of seminal fluid can prevent prostate cancer. That has clearly proved wrong in my case as I have ejaculated as often as possible for the last fifty years.

It is absolutely possible to orgasm and ejaculate without an erection, as I did pre-op, and achieve a dry orgasm following prostatectomy without any tumescence at all.

Cheers, John.

Edited by member 16 Nov 2018 at 16:18  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 16 Nov 2018 at 18:41

Julie X:  A dog not having a hand would not prevent it from having wet dreams, as a wet dream (or a wet hypnopompic hallucination experience) does not involve any contact between the hand and the penis.

Edited by member 16 Nov 2018 at 18:43  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 16 Nov 2018 at 19:07
I have never enjoyed a ‘wet dream’, probably due to the reason referred to above.

The nearest to a ‘nocturnal emission’ I have experienced, was following my recent prostatectomy, and that ejaculation was indeed urine, which is why I am now sleeping on top of a map of Tasmania!

Cheers, John.

User
Posted 16 Nov 2018 at 19:44

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Yes, that is one of my pet theories - we once had a (very unscientific) poll on here to see how many of the members had a vasectomy. Other things that seem to be quite common among members .... having worked with oils / chemicals, worked in aviation and/or a lot of cycling when younger (but perhaps most young lads do a lot of cycling???).

Lyn, are you my mother?

1. Cycled everywhere until I was 18.

2. RAF engine fitter washing hands with Natptha, breathing the wonderful aroma of burnt paraffin from jet exhausts, lubricating hands with OX38 jet engine oil.  Oh and some fittings on the engines had cadmium in them.

3. Car mechanic for some 30 years breathing hydrocarbons from old carburettor engines plus Duckhams, Castrol GTX et al

4. Vasectomy 1984 - no mention of possible problems later

5. Father, grandfather, great grandfather, 3 cousins and brother (male line), uncle (female line) all died from or have PCa

6. Bald patch on crown of head

Think I tick all the boxes. https://community.prostatecanceruk.org/Scripts/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-surprised.gif 

 

User
Posted 16 Nov 2018 at 20:15

LOL - I think you were leaving school just as I was born. But we may have frequented the same pubs & clubs without realising it? Depends whether you ever played in the Leeds & District pool league https://community.prostatecanceruk.org/Scripts/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-laughing.gif

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 16 Nov 2018 at 21:00

Steve started producing a lot less semen about six months ago. Interestingly around that time, I became allergic to his semen. Seminal plasma hypersensitivity, is caused by a reaction to proteins found in semen. The thing is, he was producing sperm but not nearly enough seminal fluid to carry that sperm. 

We did mention this to one of the specialists but they looked at us like we were a bit bonkers. I'd love to know if any other female partners of men with PC got seminal hypersensitivity. 

User
Posted 16 Nov 2018 at 21:26
I first visited a specialist with unexpected ED at the age of 45 and a great reduction in ejaculate etc which was quite remarkable. They did do DRE and it was normal but psa was 4 then 6 then 4. Totally overlooked tbh and their answer was TRT -feeding the cancer directly. I looked at sueing but in the end decided that would be even more stressful. I think on hindsight I should have sued as it’s likely my son may only be 16 when I croak it. If you look at prostate cancer symptoms, then ED and loss of ejaculate is rarely mentioned , yet there are many cases I’ve seen - more prevalent than known !! Many GP’s don’t have a clue. They are not gods after all.

If life gives you lemons , then make lemonade

User
Posted 17 Nov 2018 at 00:44

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Steve started producing a lot less semen about six months ago. Interestingly around that time, I became allergic to his semen. Seminal plasma hypersensitivity, is caused by a reaction to proteins found in semen. The thing is, he was producing sperm but not nearly enough seminal fluid to carry that sperm. 

We did mention this to one of the specialists but they looked at us like we were a bit bonkers. I'd love to know if any other female partners of men with PC got seminal hypersensitivity. 

My now X wife became severely allergic to the whole of me after my diagnosis.  Don't think that had anything to do with PC!

 

 

User
Posted 17 Nov 2018 at 02:06

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

My now X wife became severely allergic to the whole of me after my diagnosis. Don't think that had anything to do with PC!

😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

User
Posted 17 Nov 2018 at 10:25

My GPs didn't know of any connection between PCa and lack of ejaculation but I have read in the paper of a correlation.

User
Posted 18 Feb 2019 at 19:35

Darn I lost this topic as I hadn't clicked 'follow conversation'. 

I mentioned my allergy to Steve's specialist and he was really interested. He said that the ejaculate fluid from the prostate (seminal vesicular fluid) is a multitude of controlled chemicals that merge and that one of these chemicals on its own (it has a name but don't remember) is highly irritable to the skin because its very alkaline. He went on to say that its very possible that an upset in these chemicals, through disease, could cause too much of this substance in the ejaculate fluid, which would explain my reaction. 

The thing is, this isn't something people want to talk about but I do wonder if there are other women out there that have had this reaction and later found their partner has PC, because if that's the case, we could be the first to set off the alarm bell.

User
Posted 18 Feb 2019 at 20:25
Hi Maria,

One less thing for you to worry about now!😉

Cheers, John.

User
Posted 18 Feb 2019 at 22:49

Pretty sure I've read in more than one place that men produce less semen as they age anyway, in which case that's going to apply to most people here, but also most people who don't have PCa, so just asking people with PCa here might give a completely wrong impression.

I also saw a couple of references to seminal vesicles storing semen produced in the prostate in this thread, which I think is wrong. My understanding (which also might be wrong!) is that both the seminal vesicles and the prostate produce different constituents of the semen. The seminal vesicles produce the thicker white milky component which they store for use, and the prostate produces a clear liquid (mainly on demand rather than stored), which amongst other things, causes the thicker component from the seminal vesicles to liquify and become less milky some minutes after mixing during ejaculation. If you ejaculate more than once, it tends to get more watery each time because the seminal vesicles will have run out and take a longer time to replenish, but the prostate can quickly make it's clear constituent again.

I do recall having small jelly-like lumps in my semen for some years, more if I hadn't ejaculated for some days, and I did ask about it, but was told it was not uncommon. However, I think it probably went away a decade before being diagnosed with PCa, so not obviously related. My seminal vesicles are clear of cancer.

 

User
Posted 18 Feb 2019 at 23:27

I was a little worried that the dry orgasms resulting from first HT and now RT would reduce the pleasure of it, but I'm happy to report that it feels exactly the same, and is an awful lot less messy as a benefit https://community.prostatecanceruk.org/Scripts/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-wink.gif .

Chris

 

User
Posted 18 Feb 2019 at 23:39

Before diagnosis and even knowing anything about prostate cancer, I noticed that I was producing less semen but just put it down to getting older. 

Thanks Chris

 
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