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Hello to all, my problems are now beginning.

User
Posted 02 Jun 2015 at 17:13
Good luck with that- I shall be thinking of you
User
Posted 02 Jun 2015 at 17:34

Good luck on Thursday Colin
Hope it goes well for you
Best Wishes
Sandra

We can't control the winds - but we can adjust our sails
User
Posted 03 Jun 2015 at 07:17

Thanks for your support, it seems Thursday will never be here.
Colin

User
Posted 04 Jun 2015 at 14:35

Well I've been to see the consultant today, and the results are as I had posted before. He told me that I do have a Gleason score of 3+3 (6), and that I have a low grade cancer. He didn't give me any further grading.
He did say that I have 4 choices, the Active surveillance, Bachatheropy, External beam therapy or surgery to remove the prostate. So now I have a load of reading to do from the hospital and of course the Toolkit from here.
I'm not sure I can go through The Active surveillance, after having 5 months of it already, and he has booked me in to see a oncologist.

I shall be reading through others stories on here of the treatment they opted for to help me choose.

I suppose I should now start a thread in the diagnosed section.

Cheers Colin

User
Posted 04 Jun 2015 at 18:22
Colin with low grade PCa and a Gleason of 6 all contained you have every option open to you. In your case there is probably no huge rush to make what is one of the biggest decisions of your life.

A lot will depend on how you feel about living with the cancer, if you are happy to let the lion sleep within, albeit being treated by RT or Brachy therapy that is one thing, if you really don't feel happy sharing your body with a sleeping lion then you can have it taken away.

There are lots of things to consider like the side effects of all the options and what things are most important to you.

AS has only one real side effect and you have just touched on it, but many men chose that option knowing that they will be checked regularly so that action can be taken as soon as it becomes necessary. They usually have plan b ready to launch if it does become necessary.

True AS involves Regular PSA testing DRE and biopsy so make sure that regime is well explained for you.

Generally speaking Urologists push surgery and Oncologists Brachy or RT.

One thing to consider is the order of potential treatments and that some may become precluded eg surgery is not commonly allowed after RT etc.

Good idea to read up on others experiences but be sure they are in the same diagnosis as yourself.

Read up from the toolkit and now you know exactly what you are dealing with you should be safe to use the internet to research too.

Feel free to ask as many questions as you like on here too there is always someone ready with advice or suggestions.

Best wishes

Xx

Mo

User
Posted 04 Jun 2015 at 19:03

Hi Colin,
Im sorry to hear your result was positive , but as Mo said you have some time to make your mind up. I was kind of hesitantly offered AS after two Gleason 3+3 3+4 . But the PSA just rose and rose . And obviously you are left with the "worry".
I just genuinely hope you can pick a path that suits you , and you obviously have all the support you can need on this site .
Chris

If life gives you lemons , then make lemonade

User
Posted 04 Jun 2015 at 19:55

Hi Colin,

If you have been on AS for some time then you will presumably have a series of PSA results, what are they and when did they start? The increase in PSA levels, assuming that you did not engage in activity within 48 hours of the sample being taken that could artificially increase the PSA, is an indicator as to how aggressive your cancer is likely to be. That can only be ascertained for certain in a petri dish on pathology as far as I am aware, but in the absence of that examination the PSA test is all you can go on.

Baer in mind that your Gleason score is a "Guesstimate" at this stage. It can go up or down as a result of pathology exam. Mine went up from 6 to 7. As far as I am aware most scores do tend too be lifted after pathology. Really happy to be corrected on that if I am wrong?

dave

Do all you can to help yourself, then make the best of your time. :-)
User
Posted 04 Jun 2015 at 20:01

CB, Colin hasn't been on AS - he has only officially been diagnosed today! What he meant was how long it has taken to get diagnosed.

I don't think it is true that most Gleasons are uplifted post surgery. Some stay the same, some rise and occasionally the Gleason is lower than expected. It is called over-treatment and is part of the outcry in the States

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 04 Jun 2015 at 20:23

"I'm not sure I can go through The Active surveillance, after having 5 months of it already, and he has booked me in to see a oncologist."

Oh, sorry if I got that wrong, copied the quote and pasted it above, dereggub if I can read it any other way?

Re the upstaging of the Gleason on pathology, I have no stats to prove or disprove my view. Happy, very happy, to be proved wrong.

dave

Do all you can to help yourself, then make the best of your time. :-)
User
Posted 04 Jun 2015 at 20:29

Colin

The important thing is you have time to read all the available literature. The choice of treatment can depend as much on your personality and your attitude. Dave and I both opted for surgery, but there are plenty of others with excellent outcomes from other options.

Good luck in making your choice.

Paul

Stay Calm And Carry On.
User
Posted 04 Jun 2015 at 21:15

Thanks all for your comments, I'm finding the toolkit very informative. Still loads to go through. I think a meeting with the oncologist is going to be useful to.

I've noted that if you have radiotherapy you might not be able to have surgery if that fails. I'm making notes as I go through the various options of treatments.

It's interesting to read others stories and treatments.

Some people have told me I'm lucky it's prostate cancer as it can be easily cured, I'm not sure what they know about it, but I certainly don't feel lucky.

Colin

User
Posted 04 Jun 2015 at 22:34
Colin

many here will agree with you and say they feel really uncomfortable when people say that. mainly that is because the people that say it are a little ignorant of the disease,the treatments and all the side effects. It is also due to a lack of general awareness, most people have heard of prostate cancer but some have no idea where a man's prostate gland is , many still call it prostrate . So maybe they think it is a disease to be taken lying down?! Anyway the more media attention it gets the more awraeness there is and hopefully less people saying the wrong thing,

xx

Mo

User
Posted 05 Jun 2015 at 23:18
Hi Colin

Sorry to hear that the news was as you expected but not as you had hoped.

If it helps, my OH has had surgery to remove prostate. When he was diagnosed, we asked the surgeon what he would do with our set of results. He said he would go for the surgery. It's alswsys worth asking your consultant. They may not answer, but if they do it helps. Post surgery, the consultant said that he considered the decision was justified because the Gleason was 9 at pathology, and it had reached but not exceeded the surgical margin. On his biopsy, he only had 3% in one lobe and 18% in the other.

So the positive is that hopefully it was caught in time, and he is cured.

On the other hand, the side effects of the surgery have been very hard for him to deal with. Six months on he is dry at night but leaks like mad in the day. He can't drink beer. This is the end of life as we know it. He has little or no movement on the erection front, but it's early days. However, he is not a patient man, and is very distressed by it all. The side effects of the surgery were not adequately explained to him before surgery, although he would probably still have had it.

With a Gleason 6, you have the luxury of time to decide. But at the end of the day, you need to go with your gut feeling.

User
Posted 06 Jun 2015 at 07:28

Thanks Mo & Louise for your replies,

I cannot imagine the difficulties of post surgery side effects. I wouldn't be able to cope well either, I don't think that's for me yet.
I'm still reading over and over the leaflets from McMillan and the tool kit from here. Also of course the Internet. I'm starting to look at recommended changes to diets to perhap help with the cancer, not sure if I'm grabbing at straws, but perhaps to change my diet (which isn't too bad now, following a heart attack 4 years ago) and to go the Active Surveylance route for a while.

I'll wait till I see the Oncologist before a firm decision.

Thanks Colin

User
Posted 06 Jun 2015 at 12:34

Colin

Can only be your choice but as an alternative to surgery do consider some form of Radiotherapy. I was 58 at diagnosis. Back in 2004 surgery at Gleason 8 was not deemed viable so had RT and HT. I’m 10 years post diagnosis with no incontinence issues but have ED issues

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Ray

User
Posted 06 Jun 2015 at 20:19

Just thought I would say that tomorrow our 2 sons are arriving to see us. Although they do know the results, I feel it's going to be a emotional day. Talking face to face is going to be hard. we will talk about the options I have, and ask for their opinions.

Must also remind them to get checked themselves.

Colin

User
Posted 06 Jun 2015 at 21:04
Colin it is bound to be emotional but you will be ready and able to deal with it I am sure.

Xx

Mo

 
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