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Urinary incontinence

User
Posted 18 Jan 2015 at 20:57

Louise

Good advice about let nature take it's course, but stimulating to blood flow is important. I was non nerve sparring but 9 months on things are stirring below and  a warm shower with shower gel and a loving wife works wonders.  Search for "One wife's story of ED"  by Lyn, well worth a read. 

My biggest fear was incontinence but fortunately I was dry very quickly, but still do the PFE.

Bri

A PSA result of 6.9 was missed by my GP for three years, I only had another test three years later related to a trapped nerve in my shoulder. I don't think it was lack of knowledge just a lack checking results.

 

Thanks Chris

User
Posted 18 Jan 2015 at 21:54

I think the gp for Louise ' s OH showed a lack of knowledge as even with the 2nd test he was prepared to leave it for a few months.

Bri

User
Posted 19 Jan 2015 at 07:38
Indeed. The gp did seem more than happy to give us a daily dose of sildenafil on nhs prescription, which we thought we'd have to pay for. He's going out of his way to help now! Let's see what he says when we go back for cialis instead - I think it's more expensive.

I have tried to find something on the Internet about the link between nerve repair and cialis, but can'tfind anything. Can anyone help?

User
Posted 19 Jan 2015 at 07:55
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-178912/Viagra-boost-cancer.html

Hello Lyn

I realise this is not the most scientific of sources, but this is the article, among others, that made us speak to the nurse about taking Viagra. Does cialis do the same thing? Or is it better? I can't find any links to show the nurse for the cialis. As it is much more expensive, I can't see them giving this instead of sildenafil img there is no difference in benefit

Thanks for your input

User
Posted 19 Jan 2015 at 10:57

hi Louise had my op 2 days after your oh open surgery i, i am ok at night and sitting but like him the more i do the more i leak but have decided stuff it and just get on with things and have more showers and use more pads, but it is not stopping me doing things , have noticed improvement that i had to get up about 5 times at night but down to about 2 also i can make the toilet from sitting with no leak, so things are slowly improving small steps which your oh may not notice i am doing PFE hope he improves Andy

User
Posted 19 Jan 2015 at 18:24
Hi Louise

I am in a similar position had my op on the 8th Dec and the catheter removed 22ed Dec incontinent during day but dryish at night. Not really had any follow up info as only seen the surgeons junior briefly morning after the op so was still out of it a bit and not seeing the consultant until the 9th Feb which is 8 weeks post op. I have seen my GP couple of times complaining of stinging took three weeks to find I had Proteus urine infection which wouldn't of helped the incontinence. Also nothing about cailis or pumps, I get most info from this excellent forum.

Malcolm

User
Posted 19 Jan 2015 at 23:24

"I also read something about treatment for stress incontinence regarding the use of pseudoephedrine, which is an over the counter decongestant, to aid in contracting smooth muscle at the exit sphincter. Does anyone have any views on this?"
Really, he is not suffering stress incontinence - as I said before, his mind needs to relearn bladder control and his pelvic floor needs some work. Tablets do not do either of these things.

Hmm.

Well once you get over the lack of control issue, once the recovery returns for most of the time, and once your urethra regains most of the control that you once had, all that remains when you leak is stress incontinence. When coughing. When sneezing. When twisting or turning.

The point is that your urethra was used to clamping down on itself for the years when you stopped peeing into a nappy until it was interfered with at the op and had a catheter inserted, it worked fine. Then suddenly your Urethra had to learn to clamp down to a new tube, the catheter. The that new tube, the Catheer, was removed and the Urethra had to learn to clamp down on to the new reduced pipe, the original urethra, again.

It is simple when you think about it. Was for me, and helped me understand.

ATB

Dave

User
Posted 19 Jan 2015 at 23:59

I find the leakage is worse for me when I squat or sit with my legs apart. I presume this opens up the tubing. Playing golf doesn't seem to lead to any excessive leakage now.

Paul

Stay Calm And Carry On.
User
Posted 20 Jan 2015 at 11:02

Hi Louise & OH.

In case nobody else has mentioned this, your husband is entitled to a prescription exemption card which can be signed off by your GP and therefore charges should not apply to get your husband back to where he needs to be with the aid of medication.

 

To add another case and to help with the despondency that your OH is feeling, I wrote the book on impatience, just ask my OH!!

 

Like your feller I was diagnosed from a totally unrelated problem that I had gone to see my GP about. Luckily my GP called the same day that he was given my psa results a mere 4.1. I was diagnosed with PCa and a Gleeson 8 all in the left side of my prostate. I had robotic surgery at the end of October and I too was and can still be very despondent, good days and bad days.

 

I have been using Cialis and get a bit of a stirring, I have been using a vacuum pump with some reasonable results, and I was prescribed yesterday with Viagra to try. I'll let you know!! :)

 

One thing that really has helped me cope with the bad days is a good read of this website, the threads that some couples have shared, they really do help you see how progress can be made and how much help there is out there from men/couples going through the same thing. Have you been able to get your OH to sit and have a read rather than you giving a report back? I really do think it would benefit him in the long run. :)

 

  

User
Posted 20 Jan 2015 at 12:58

 This is how my consultant explained things to me;

Before surgery I had 2 sphincter muscles to control urine flow........


......One internal sphincter muscle which was / is situated near the base of the prostate and bladder neck.

This was either partly removed along with the prostate or possibly damaged / disturbed  during surgery and reconstruction of the urethra in order to remove all of the prostate and associated tumour(s).....

The second is an external sphincter muscle which is located  and works in conjunction with the pelvic floor muscles ....

This muscle was  secondary in urine control before surgery....... After surgery it now needs to be stronger to in effect do the extra work of the missing / damaged internal sphincter muscle....hence pelvic floor exercises may help urine control by strengthening this muscle and aid continence.... although there is no guarantee full continence will be achieved if the internal sphincter has been too badly damaged...

Pelvic floor exercises may well help in regaining continence quicker, but the overall outcome will be dependent on how  much trauma the internal sphincter muscle has endured during surgery.

Stress incontinence occurs when movement increases pressure in the bladder and the sphincter muscle is not strong enough or efficient enough  to hold back the urine?

Maybe I've misunderstood my consultant's explanation?

Best Wishes

Luther

 

Edited by member 20 Jan 2015 at 14:13  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 20 Jan 2015 at 20:33
Luther- sounds very like our consultant's explanation. It may even be the same one, looking at your profile picture. Royal Derby?
User
Posted 20 Jan 2015 at 20:44
I want to say a massive thank you to everyone who has posted on this conversation. I have not used an online forum before, and, not that I wish this on anyone, but it's nice to know people are in the same boat and having similar experiences.

I have passed on all information on here to my OH (I've only just worked out what this means!!!) and we've made some decisions based on the info. He's decided to get a vacuum pump and give it a bash (see what I did there...?)

I have spoken to the ED nurse today, who tells me that there is no difference in the action of sildenafil and cialis - they both do the same job. I haven't managed to find anything which contradicts this. Does anyone have any links to literature saying cialis is the drug of choice?

Thank you to Trevor- I didn't know about the prescription thing- I shall do that tomorrow.

The OH seems, if not happier, then managing to stay cheerful. I think the ED nurse telling him he only had a 10% chance of regaining erections sent him into despair. Of course, she didn't actually say this, but this is what he heard. But every positive comment I get from here, I pass on to him.

It's making me feel better too! 😄

User
Posted 20 Jan 2015 at 21:40

He may have heard correctly although it indicates the ED nurse is a tiny bit gloomy by nature. Stats for the UK suggest that with nerves spared on only one side, 70% of men will regain erections within 1 year although the majority of these can only do so with chemical or mechanical assistance. The NHS does not publish stats for men being able to get spontaneous erections but anecdotally it is a very small number. Based on members here, 10% might be about right. Fortunately, many find that tablets or pumps or injections work.

The link you posted about the research was interesting although a very small scale project. It is NICE who say that daily Cialis (2.5mg or 5mg) is the best post-op recovery strategy but as Sildenafil is now so much cheaper than Cialis, it may be that your CCG has determined this is all men are going to be offered.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 20 Jan 2015 at 22:13

 

One for the future perhaps ?

 

Injections of tummy fat halt embarrassing leaks: Jabs can reduce incontinence in men following prostate surgery, say researchers

 

  • Scientists are using      stem cells extracted from abdominal fat 
  • Injections reduced      leakage by up to 60 per cent
  • Treatment involves      taking fat from the tummy using liposuction
  • Extracted stem cells      from the fat are then injected into the patient

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2917231/Injections-tummy-fat-halt-embarrassing-leaks-Jabs-reduce-incontinence-men-following-prostate-surgery-say-researchers.html

 

Thanks Chris

 

Edited by member 21 Jan 2015 at 12:37  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 20 Jan 2015 at 22:45
Thanks for that Lyn. She did actually say that 'without medication or some artificial help only 10% of men can get erections after surgery' he just heard 10%!

I would be really interested to find the nice guidelines to take with us next week- how can I find this please?

Interesting article Chris- I'll file it under 'future'

Louise

User
Posted 21 Jan 2015 at 08:14
Hello Lyn

I have searched and can't find anything to say cialis is better or recommended, only to say that it lasts longer. The only nice guidelines I can find say the prescription choice should be down to personal preference.

If he should be having cialis, then I need to get the ed nurse to prescribe it. To do this, I think I may need to prove the causal link- can you tell me where you read this please? I've tried searching for everything I can think of, but it just brings up the same guidelines that either of the three can be used

Thank you

User
Posted 21 Jan 2015 at 08:25

its a postcode lottery as to getting daily Cialis
our health authority wont give my OH daily due to cost
he found Cialis gave him headaches and wasn't much help really so now has Viagra
which helps a little but not a lot

we watched a food health program where they recommended someone with ED take
a handful of pistachio nuts
its early days but they seem to be having an effect
he has only taken them for a week but had a semi erection naturally
(about the same as he is getting with Viagra)
so is carrying on taking them will let you know if they work

User
Posted 21 Jan 2015 at 10:18

Hi mb5244.
Was that a handful of pistachio nuts every day?

We can't control the winds - but we can adjust our sails
User
Posted 21 Jan 2015 at 12:00

yes
hubby takes some to work and nibbles on them during day
they are high in protein so if they don't have desired effect at least they are good for you

User
Posted 21 Jan 2015 at 21:47
I think he'll try anything!

 
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