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Options following recent diagnosis

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Posted 07 Nov 2020 at 00:25
Hi Richard

The fact we had choices blew our minds too when my husband was diagnosed with a large G6 (3+3) following a PSA of 3.56 a Mp MRI showing something abnormal ans a 46 core template biopsy under general anaesthetic . A later biopsy regraded him to G7 (3+4). Our options were:

AS

RT

RP

But as a result of fear of ED and in continence we explored focal options ( no offers of cryotherapy) but were offered back in 2016

Whole gland HIFU

Focal Laser Ablation ( USA)

The decision to go focal has been an interesting and bumpy journey starting with that trip to the USA but unfortunately 2019 saw a reoccurrence now at that higher grade but focal HIFU in the UK was now on offer ( or an RP still) so Feb 2020 the focal HIFU wax done but needed another go in September.

So three focal treatments ( he is in in 50s ) and if it reoccurs he will have to have a removal but last scan was clear so fingers crossed.

Recovered quickly from all 3 procedures with no incontinence and help with tablets only needed for a few weeks before a full recovery of functionality

Not a standard journey - he still has his prostate but orgasms have been dry since his first treatment. Other than that QOL is unaffected but PSA anxiety is a real thing whatever treatment you opt for it seems.

Good Luck

Claret.

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Posted 07 Nov 2020 at 01:00

Richard,

There are situations where certain treatments are ruled out or one may be considered more appropriate for you. However, in many cases it is left to the individual patient to decide between options. You need to thoroughly research each treatment on offer, including AS and potential side effects and timing. Even then you may react differently to the majority of men so there are no certainties. As regards timing, you have to consider how you feel about deferring potential side effects against the risk that late radical treatment may narrow your chance of treatment option or chance of effectively eradicating your chancer. It is understandable in the light of this that this has to be your decision and one the consultants don't want to make for you.

Corrected as last sentence didn't convey what I meant.

Edited by member 08 Nov 2020 at 05:37  | Reason: Not specified

Barry
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Posted 07 Nov 2020 at 03:19

Transperineal biopsy, my experience:

Visit hospital in the morning as a day case. Go to operating theatre. General anaesthetic. Wake up wondering if anything has been done (it had). Recuperate in a room with tea and biscuits. Go for a wee and blood streaked urine feels like pissing razor blades.

The bloke in the bed opposite was in agony as this was his second biopsy after a TRUS (buy one get one free, remember?), and a lot of doctor attention behind the bed curtains, and I think he had to be catheterised, and certainly wasn’t leaving hospital any time soon. I think he had a bad dose of cancer/reaction to the anaesthetic/problems with his catheterisation during the biopsy.

Off for second wee, felt like pissing slightly blunt razor blades. Felt absolutely fine, and a child of a doctor came to see me and I told him I was ready to go home (around 2pm). He told me I could not. So I asked for a form to discharge myself. There was a bit of a kerfuffle as he’d never encountered anyone who wanted to discharge themselves, and didn’t know what forms were involved.

Eventually they were produced, and he was still a bit flustered, but signed me out and they gave me a course of antibiotics to take to prevent an infection. Left about 2.30. A bloody massive big blue, yellow and purple bruise the size of a grapefruit had developed on my perineum where the forty two needles had been inserted.

No further pain on subsequent micturition, but pink semen for about two weeks. I told Her Loveliness it was strawberry flavour, but she didn’t believe me, sadly.

I had already twigged I had cancer before the biopsy, and the surgeon who came to see me before the biopsy procedure admitted as much when I asked him straight out.

So all in all, the transperineal biopsy was no problem for me, and an interesting day out. I doubt if the gentleman in the bed opposite would say the same.

So, go and get one. Then consider the result and your future plans in conjunction with your doctors. If you do decide on any treatment, have as much sex/orgasms as possible beforehand, as they will never be the same again.

I hope your biopsy goes as well as mine did!

Cheers, John.

Edited by member 07 Nov 2020 at 03:31  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 07 Nov 2020 at 07:44

I can echo John’s experience with regards to TPM biopsy. Arrived at a London Hospital (45mins train/tube ride) around 11am to check in. Taken to room to settle in.

Walked in the theatre prep room about 12:30pm GA administered about 12:45pm and woke up as if I had blinked 45mins later.

Really didn’t believe anything had been done as perception of time was so brief. 

I was up and walking after about 20mins and fine. I was fortunate as no blood in urine but felt like razor blades to pee. Spent 4hrs conducting flow tests and recording the information for the nurse. Had something eat and drink and then released about 6pm

en route home I stood outside train loo as needed to go every 10-15mins given water ingested.

Following days I developed an epic bruise downstairs but after a few days all settled.

User
Posted 07 Nov 2020 at 10:52

Hi Richard,

Please visit my profile, albeit it's maybe a little cryptic in places.

I'm 6 years from Dx. PSA 0.02

Lots of info already posted, other to add to mix. 6 weeks recovery min. re. Surgery. Are you in a manual job ?

Distance to hospital re. RT etc

I only joined this forum about 1 yr after op.  I realised how little I knew or was told.

Key.  Don't rush..   Cross each bridge  as you need to.

All the best

 

Regards Gordon

User
Posted 07 Nov 2020 at 14:28

Hi Richard,

I had my Brachytherapy in September 2016  at 70 years old with Psa  2.19 Gleason 3+4=7  and 5 out of 20 cores positive.The first Specialist seem to think i would go with his operation for robotic removal but i asked to for a second opinion from the Brachytherapy specialist and decided that was the option for me at my age and possibly less side affects.

So far 4 years on all good Psa down to 0.18 at December 2019 and next test due this month, did i make the right decision in 2016 who knows ask me when I'm 84.

If you click on my Avatar you can see my journey so far ,good luck.

John.

Edited by member 07 Nov 2020 at 14:29  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 07 Nov 2020 at 15:10

Thanks for everyone's replies

I'm new to this site and had no idea how helpful this would be. It's great that there's a community out there which is so willing to engage and offer advice and thoughts, as well as sharing experiences

It means a lot to me knowing that I'm not alone with this

I'll return to these pages once I have made a decision on my next steps

Thanks all 

User
Posted 08 Nov 2020 at 13:05

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
I had an image guided (mpMRI) TRUS biopsy which graded me at  Gleason 7 (3+4).

My post prostatectomy grading after pathology was unchanged at Gleason 7 (3+4).

Can't really argue with that. YMMV.

Targeted TRUS seemed to work out for me, although I did get given an antibiotic with some very scary potential side-effects (ciprofloxacin), which thankfully I did not get.

I had ciprofloxacin after my transperinael biopsy; it gave me the (quite severe) runs by day 2. OTOH whatever they gave me after the TRUS was ineffective, as I got an infection, which required three different antibiotics to clear.

Perhaps these experiences felt worse to me as I normally don't even get colds, so I'm not used to dealing with infections or drug side effects.

User
Posted 08 Nov 2020 at 13:30

I had ciprofloxacin 500mg for three months when initial symptoms were thought to be prostate infection. No side effects other than minor case of ringworm rash which I treated with nizoral cream.

Saved a fortune having lime sodas in the pub 🥶

 
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