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Posted 23 Mar 2018 at 11:02

@Lyn

Hi.

Regarding what you said about HT + RT. I can see the sense but someone else I was talking to said if might be a bad idea because HT might cause the cancer to become refractory earlier. Do you know how do the oncologists reconcile these concerns?

I'm erring on the side of action because I'm getting nervous about my life expectancy right now (less about me but more about fear of abandoning my family by dying). I feel so useless right now.

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Posted 02 Apr 2018 at 19:52

Quick update - urology onco appointment scheduled for 4 weeks - clearly not seen as urgent...

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Posted 02 Apr 2018 at 21:22
Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

@Lyn

Hi.

Regarding what you said about HT + RT. I can see the sense but someone else I was talking to said if might be a bad idea because HT might cause the cancer to become refractory earlier. Do you know how do the oncologists reconcile these concerns?

I'm erring on the side of action because I'm getting nervous about my life expectancy right now (less about me but more about fear of abandoning my family by dying). I feel so useless right now.



Sorry Pete, I missed this. The person who mentioned the risk of becoming hormone refractory was muddled - that is a consideration for men who are incurable but not for men considering salvage or adjuvant radiotherapy with HT.
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard
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Posted 18 Apr 2018 at 21:09

HI all

I have my urology onco visit in a week and a half and just wanted to check a few things.

I have got my head around the difference between adjuvant and salvage (I wish they had offered the former) but I want to understand what options may be offered and what questions I need to ask.

I understand I will most likely be offered HT with RT at some point (multiple weeks worth) but I want to know what types of HT I am likely to be offered and what the side effects might be.

Is it a good idea to ask about trials? Are there are that are likely to be promising for someone in my boat (G7 T2c with RP with 8-9 month relapse)?

Is it worth asking about life expectancy at this point or am I being too previous?

Finally, I'm really fed up. I'm trying really hard to live day by day but am drinking a little too much and barely hanging on to exercise and diet. I reckon the damn thing pops into my head about every half an hour for a few minutes and stuffs mhy mood up. Any ideas on shutting it out?

At least what I am going through is good first hand data for my thesis!

Cheers

A slightly fed up Pete

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Posted 18 Apr 2018 at 21:45

Some oncos offer SRT without hormones so it will be useful to hear what the specialist is proposing and then formulate your questions in response - if no HT, why? If HT, which one and why and for how long? If RT is proposed, where will that be targeted and what is the rationale for assuming the cancer cells are in that space. You could also ask whether there is a plan to book PET or other detailed scans to see if there is any visible cancer to target. Also ask what difference the mucinous adenocarcinoma makes and whether that was identified before or after your op.

It is certainly worth asking about trials but for many of these you have to be prepared to be randomised plus the fact that some of it was mucinous PCa may rule you out of some options - if it was John I would be more tempted to ask the onco whether there is anything coming out of the most recent trials that would indicate a 'best course' for you.

You could ask about life expectancy but since we are all hoping the onco offers you RT / HT, you would hope the answer is that you have a good chance of living until something else gets you. Keep hold of the fact that if they offer RT it will be with curative intent.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard
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Posted 19 Apr 2018 at 07:11
Re life expectancy / recurrence free likely hood post SRT check out the nomogram https://www.mskcc.org/nomograms/prostate/salvage_radiation_therapy

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Posted 19 Apr 2018 at 07:38
Morning Pete.Ive just finished my SRT treatment. After talking to quite a few men with different oncologists, let's say with 'similar' situations to you and me (I'm aware of the varied nuances) they have been told they are on a curative path.Whilst going through the consent form with my own oncologist,a straightforward almost mans man type bloke with warmth, I pointed out the bit that said,Aim of Treatment- cure cancer, to which he responded quite enthusiasticly and circled it with his pen.Ofcourse I've hung on to that reaction.Despite this being my own individual story,I hope it can offer some positivity for you.Keep up with the exercise and diet,enjoy a few sensible pints,and try and be a bit less fed up.All the best mate.
Paul



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Posted 19 Apr 2018 at 07:40
Well that gives me a 34% chance of progression free survival on 6 years when I put my details in.
I am now 1 year post SRT......

Ido4

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Posted 19 Apr 2018 at 20:40

Lyn


Thanks. There are lot of choices about scans (choline etc.) and so on I need to read up on and will ask. I know there are some trials around this, but I suspect they may incvliude travel. As an aside, I had to laugh at the use of choline. I understand choline is one reason omne has to avoid eggs and I so miss my fried egg and bacon butty on a Sunday :)


Generally with trials, I will enquire likewise. I understand that the branch is random but I also understand that if one is on the wrong branch, sometimes they will swap you if the working branch is doing so well. Game on.


I did the nomogram (thanks francij) and with a best guess on my doubling time (not quite enough data) I am 54% at 6 years. Better odds than Vegas tables, I think.


Bestie


I like your attitude. As Brian says - "always look on the brioght side of life" :) I am trying to look at it that with multiple throws of the dice I will eventually roll a critical hit and slay the beast.


Ido


About the same as what I was given for the RP surgery in the first case. I suspect that the longer you go free, the odds start to go in your favour.

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Posted 23 Apr 2018 at 20:37

I faced up to my fears and did some reserach on Mucosoidal Adenocarcinoma today. I was putting this off because I was worried.


It turns out that although very rare (0.4% - where is my lottery ticket!) a lot of papers suggest it is not explicitly indicative of a worse outcome than "regular" PCA. Pinch of salt needed as with any search of papers but it shows how one can get stressed by partial or sloppy research.


I will give my onco a good questioning too.


As it is rare, I am also going to offer my body (ooer!) to science in the sense that if they need research subjects with rare forms I would be willing to help out. If they are nice, they can also have my body when I am done with it :)


Pete

 
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