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Posted 26 Mar 2018 at 03:05

There is something of which I am certain and that is that although even timely treatment does not always provide a 'cure' PCa but it often slows down it's advance, the price you pay in terms of time, undergoing the treatment which may be ongoing and the side side effects. Some will think at some point that the price is too high, a decision many of us will have to make but others may decide a longer if less active extended life is worthwhile. Death due to PCa is often a rotten way to go and I for one would rather another was the reason, more likely to be the case as we grow old.

Barry
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Posted 26 Mar 2018 at 21:51
Hope all goes well with the treatment. I was driving a round trip of 94 miles a day for my RT with no problem but it depends on how you feel. If fatigue starts to kick in then you could be unfit to drive which would be an offence and so you need to monitor that. The treatment itself didn't cause any driving related problems but you need to just be sensible.

Kevan

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Posted 27 Mar 2018 at 08:26

Urgency can be an issue as the weeks go by. Hence some guys carry a bottle in car to pee in. Not sure how "Daft as a brush" would feel about peeing in their car -:) I went though RT no prob, no bottle needed just a had pee before I came out. Should be less of an issue now targeting has improved.

Ray

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Posted 27 Mar 2018 at 09:20

I have a German Shepherd Dog who is a “cryptorchid”, i.e. has an undescended testicle. This and his other one will have to be removed shortly as the hidden one may well become cancerous.

I was intrigued to see in America some vets offer their castrated patients silicone “Neuticles” - cosmetic testicle implants, in five sizes from Chihuahua to Great Dane, purely for the vanity of their owners!

I have never heard of it for humans until I read this thread.

Something new every day.

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Posted 27 Mar 2018 at 13:09

Hi Rich
My drive to the RT was about 3/4 hr from work depending on traffic. The RT wasn’t the same time every day, some days I drove back to work, others I’d drive straight home which added another 1/2 hr to the journey. Never had any problem, but like Ray I always went to loo after the RT.

Stu

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Posted 27 Mar 2018 at 13:35

Hi Rich, I drove myself to and from radiotherapy each day. Journey time each way was a minimum of 35 minutes rising to an hour depending on traffic and roadworks.

I also did not have any toilet issues on the way home but I did have to run to the loo after the radiotherapy as my bladder was full!

You would see all the men getting to a loo quick style after finishing that day's treatment.

In fact, I had to ask where loos were as sometimes they were fully occupied. I now have several places at the hospital I can find a toilet!

Some days my bladder felt so full I thought I was in danger of having an accident on the treatment bed. Thankfully that never happened.

 

Ian

Ido4

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Posted 31 Mar 2018 at 20:35
Hi Rich

If you are wanting a road map of how all this is going to pan out then I don't think you are going to find one to be honest. I realise that our outlooks are going to be very different as I am a lot older and have no kids so the future isn't something I worry about.

I can understand that this is very different for you but we all share the fact that like it or not we have PCa and have to deal with it.

I think we have all experienced peaks and troughs following diagnosis. Even without PCa none of us knows how long we have left so we can only play the cards we are dealt in the best way we can and make the most of each day.

You still have to be kind to yourself and are allowed a wallow now and again. Do you think your son might appreciate you sharing your thoughts with him?

Sorry if none of this is helpful but I was feeling concerned for you.

Kevan

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Posted 31 Mar 2018 at 20:53
Hi Rich. Just to let you know like Kevan I feel for you. Nobody on here can give you a prognosis honest or otherwise. Such a lot depends on how your body responds to the treatment. I worry about my husband's future a lot of the time. It's the nature of the beast I'm afraid.

Can you speak honestly with any of your brother's tonight. I know you don't want to put this on your son but I am sure he would rather support you through this difficult time than think you are ok about it.

Hopefully you will feel better soon and other members can offer you better advice.

Take care of yourself.

Ann

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Posted 31 Mar 2018 at 21:23
Hi Rich, it is very difficult dealing with this disease and as others have said a prognosis is very difficult due to the very high amount of variables.

I feel for you but believe you will find a way through this. We all do in time.

You say your not scared, I am a lot of the time.

I am not hard but I try to be as positive as I can and don’t want this disease to define me, although a lot of the time it does.

As Kevin has said we just try to get on with our lives and enjoy each day.

I try to live my life normally but with an enhanced sense of those close to me and appreciation for what I have in my life.

All the platitudes said I fell like a pendulum swinging from one emotion to another.

I have my dark moments too when I think of my wife and three sons without me.

It is surprising that strength comes when you need it.

I am waiting on the results from a bone scan on 26//2 and an MRI 19/3, we spend a lot of time waiting on PSA results, scan results etc which is difficult.

I dread going to oncology for results.

But most days I am very active, do lots of different things and try to appreciate each day.

I really hope you feel better in yourself soon.

Best wishes, Ian.

Ido4

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Posted 31 Mar 2018 at 21:35
Rich - Responding in your way to how you feel certainly doesn't make you an idiot unless of course we all are😊 Losing your Dad to PCa and then being diagnosed with it yourself must affect you but it's reassuring to know that you and your brothers are strong together.

Hopefully tomorrow will be a better day.

Take care.

Kevan

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Posted 31 Mar 2018 at 21:50

My wife always tells me tomorrow is another day. And often she is right and it’s veey much better. My early posts on this website were very very similar to yours. I’d lost hope and was afraid and didn’t know which way to turn. You are doing fine just by posting and sharing. We are not all hard but just “ weathered “ a bit more. Stay strong.

If life gives you lemons , then make lemonade

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Posted 31 Mar 2018 at 22:50

Everyone is allowed to wallow, but then you need a bit of a reality check. Your medical team would not be offering you curative treatment if they didn't believe it could cure you - the NHS can't afford to provide pointless treatment so there has to be a cost benefit. There are men on here with far worse diagnosis than you and have still been around 10, 12, 15 years later.

Do you sometimes post after a few drinks?

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 01 Apr 2018 at 00:01

Not offended - you have misinterpreted! We have discussed before - HT with 37 sessions of RT is a curative treatment, it was offered to you after the specialist said surgery had a less than 50% chance of curing you so RT/HT would give you a better chance.

You might never have met the medical team but they exist - the specialist that you have met, the oncology nurse / clinical nurse specialist, the radiographers that interpreted your scans, the pathology team - all put their knowledge together to determine which treatments might or might not be suitable for a specific patient.

Nothing wrong with wallowing - as someone else commented above, we all need to do it sometimes. Tomorrow will hopefully be a better day.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 01 Apr 2018 at 00:05
Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

NHS resources are stretched and they would not be offering you a curative treatment if they didn't believe it had a reasonable chance of working. If they thought your cancer was incurable, they would have been offering you long term HT possibly with early chemo and / or with one of the new generation hormones.

Believe :-)

Believe

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 01 Apr 2018 at 09:54

Hi Rich, 

From the moment my psa was diagnosed as high I didn't have a single drop of alcohol for over 6 months when I thought my body was completely healed from the operation.  Even now I never have more than 2 glasses of beer or half a bottle of wine and never more than twice a week. 

I used to think having no alcohol would be torture but I didn't miss it, from what you read it puts stress on your body and immune system and gives you ups and downs, there's very little to be said for it except it might give some temporary mental relief.

Regards
Peter

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Posted 01 Apr 2018 at 11:49
Hi Hope today is a better day for you Rich.

Regards

Ann

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Posted 01 Apr 2018 at 18:46
Good news, Rich.

I think, going through what we're going through, we all have days when we feel like you did, hopefully, the good days will outnumber the bad days.

This site has really helped me through the worst of times and will do in the future, I'm sure. You'll find good advice here, from good people.

Take care.

Steve

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Posted 02 Apr 2018 at 00:24

Good morning Rich,

So, you post a bit late at night? After a few drinks?

Many have been there. Done that. I suspect?

It's called release. Letting go. It's allowed and okay. And if you cross a line which you cant't actually see when you are tired and intoxicated and depressed, no worries. Just delete it or amend it the next day. And if you don't. No bother. Most will not take umbrage.

FWIW your life expectancy as stated today may seem short. Reality is that treatment options continue to progress. Outcomes continue to become better. People living with PCa who are diagnosed yesteryear are living beyond prognosis. No reasons why you should not also.

In the meantime, you may be down, will be "dessip ffo". Please feel free to vent here.

atb to you

dave

Do all you can to help yourself, then make the best of your time. :-)
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Posted 02 Apr 2018 at 05:09

Hi Rich,

We have all been there and I appreciate the fact that it is especially hard for those that are diagnosed at an early age. However, knowing our otherwise likely life span risks being shortened by this disease, we should do two things as I see it. One is to learn as much as we can about PCa and give ourselves the best opportunity of a balance between quality and extended life by being prepared to accept and push for best treatment as individuals and secondly to make the most of the time we have. To dwell disproportionately on our own situation means we are letting this disease rob us of valuable time and increase depression. Too much heavy drinking does not make the problem go away but can make it worse.

As has been said, your medical team you are in direct contact with and those supporting them, along with researchers are working to extend your life and those of others. Try to be less negative not only for yourself but for your family. We will support you but being more positive is something that only you can do regardless of what any of us may say.

Barry
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Posted 12 Apr 2018 at 16:01

I wish you all the best for your treatment Richard. I have replied to you on the MacMillan forum but thought I would post the article comparing tomotherapy versus VMAT IMRT for those on the PCUK forum.

 

https://www.itnonline.com/article/two-kind-vmat-versus-tomotherapy

Ian

Ido4

 
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