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"The road ahead"!

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Posted 03 Jul 2017 at 15:05

Valleyboy, my oncologist's reaction to my evidence of lethargy and breathlessness today was to reduce remaining doses (cycles 6-10) by 20%. Hopeful!y, I shall get some relief from this!

AC

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Posted 04 Jul 2017 at 16:36

Thanks for the info AC-----
1--Well touch wood" but my breathlessness referred to earlier seems to have cleared itself? As I'm breathing and moving as normal over the last two days, however as stated I've got chemo/5 this Thursday so I ll have to wait and see if this side effect returns?
2--also just read today's news about DNA genetic testing and whole genome testing which can allow specialists to target specific treatments to individuals thus avoiding unnecessary treatments and/or side effects? I'm obviously going to raise this with my treatment team on Thursday, however prior to this has anyone out there had any experience of this issue? Any/all comments regarding this issue most welcome.
Thanks J.

User
Posted 06 Jul 2017 at 21:44

Ok went for chemo/5 infusion today and PSA up 37 pts to 217, (originally 1547 in Feb/17). So that's a 57pt rise in 2 months so my oncologist said if it goes up again in 3 weeks then I will not be getting my chemo /6 infusion but may well be moving onto Plan B ( Enzo or Abi) which is much sooner than inexpected. So again has anyone out there gone down this path? And if so all comments gratefully received. Thanks J.

User
Posted 27 Jul 2017 at 20:31

So went for chemo/6 today as PSA down 17--I know it's not much in relation to my initial Nos. but a drop is a drop??? So that's the last of my initial round of chemo, with a way ahead meeting now scheduled with my Onco for the 11/09/17. Prior to this meeting I ll be having a comprehensive set of blood tests and a full CT scan, so let's hope they are positive so that any way ahead treatment compliments what I've already had? As above if anyone out there has been down a similar road I'd love to hear from you as any knowledge you can give me prior to the 11/09 would be well appreciated. Thanks J.

User
Posted 27 Jul 2017 at 22:42

Hi Valleyboy


Congratulations on getting through the chemo - make sure you look after yourself for the next month / don't overdo things / steer clear of wild parties, people with coughs, children with colds, little old ladies with wheezes etc so that you stay on track.


Tony only had an initial involvement with the DNA testing approach but it does seem to be an interesting and potentially important area of reasearch. His PSA dropped slightly during the first couple of chemo sessions but then continued to rise and the rise wasn't stopped by subsequent treatments (including Abi). So they sent of a bit of his original biopsy and some blood for an initial DNA test. Took several weeks to come back (around 5-6 I think) and it revealed that he was in the group of men with a specific gene marker that suggested that conventional treatments would not be effective. So then they did a whole battery of tests, MRI, CT, saliva, blood etc and sent them all off to a specialist research lab in England to check if he was eligible to join the Toparp trial. That took another 3 weeks. Everything was fine except that his blood count was too low so they gave him a transfusion and then he had to wait two weeks to see if things had improved. Sadly he had had enough by that stage and decided to go for palliative sedation rather than stagger on in a state of misery. But if he had started the trial he would have simply taken a tablet every day (usual side effects - fatigue, possible loss of appetite etc) and had everything checked at intervals to see how he was doing. Results so far are impressive with many months additional life expectancy and a reasonable quality of life too.


Hope you don't need it, but if you do it sounds pretty hopeful.


Take care.


Ruth

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Posted 28 Jul 2017 at 14:50
Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Thanks for the info AC-----
1--Well touch wood" but my breathlessness referred to earlier seems to have cleared itself? As I'm breathing and moving as normal over the last two days, however as stated I've got chemo/5 this Thursday so I ll have to wait and see if this side effect returns?
2--also just read today's news about DNA genetic testing and whole genome testing which can allow specialists to target specific treatments to individuals thus avoiding unnecessary treatments and/or side effects? I'm obviously going to raise this with my treatment team on Thursday, however prior to this has anyone out there had any experience of this issue? Any/all comments regarding this issue most welcome.
Thanks J.



Delighted that your Chemo is finishing and your PSA results are looking good. I suspect that your scan results will be much better than before, hopefully.

I am now over 4 months in to my chemo holiday (post chemo) and enjoying life. I am back at work part time and have had a good summer so far. I meet my Onco again in September, but I pretty much know the next steps as he has already told me as such.

My PSA has already risen to 13.3 so action will be required. I will be having a scan to detect the progress of my Mets, I will be having a further biopsy so that DNA testing can be carried out to determine what future treatments will work. Chemo works very well on me so my Onco is keen for a further 6 rounds of that whilst, as he puts it, I am fit enough to take it, before they give me the softer options in later life. If I am truthful I would prefer ABI if it proves to work with my DNA, but the DNA test will be my journey route in the longer term. They get the results from some lab in Arizona apparently.

Anyway, whatever happens, the journey continues.

All the Best Valleyboy

Dave
"Incurable cancer does not mean it is untreatable and does not mean it is terminal either"
User
Posted 01 Aug 2017 at 19:03

For all site administrators out there, just to let you know Although it was supposed to have been deleted yesterday? I've just received my personal copy of that "scam" e-mail, which I've promptly consigned to the bin.

User
Posted 04 Aug 2017 at 07:12
I had a private message from someone wanting to give money, is this the scam you are talking of?
User
Posted 04 Aug 2017 at 08:27
Sounds like that's the same one
User
Posted 08 Aug 2017 at 15:56

As stated earlier in this thread I've now completed my initial 6 chemo sessions and other than my regular 'life-long' 4 weekly hormone injection coupled the 2 steroid tabs daily I'm now on a treatment "holiday" till I see my onco for a way ahead meeting on the 11/09/17.
As you see from my initial post I presented earlier this year with no common symptoms, other than aches and pains, however my initial blood tests indicated a PSA of 1547, and further tests confirmed mets in spine ribs and skull.
My PSA then dropped to 157 by April, then rose 20 points in May with further 37 point rise in June. July was slightly better news with a 17 point reduction which allowed my 6th and final chemo infusion to go ahead.
Compared to the start of the year where I was in almost constant pain, (for approx 1 month), I'm now mostly pain and pain killers free, I'm back playing golf 2/3 times a week, walking and cycling as required.
Obviously because of the advanced nature of my illness I'm under no illusions that on-going treatment is required, and that in my September consultation meeting no doubt my onco s preferred treatment route, (after reviewing my upcoming full CT scan and comprehensive blood tests), will be discussed and mapped out.
However prior to that meeting I was just wondering if any of you out there have either experienced anything similar, and if so what was your next course of action/treatment plan?
Ps.
As I'm not too sure about this point, if required can I have more chemo sessions? Or have I used up that treatment option? Thanks. J.

User
Posted 08 Aug 2017 at 17:09

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member


However prior to that meeting I was just wondering if any of you out there have either experienced anything similar, and if so what was your next course of action/treatment plan?



Can't help with that, my treatment path differs from yours.


Originally Posted by: Online Community Member


As I'm not too sure about this point, if required can I have more chemo sessions? Or have I used up that treatment option? Thanks. J.



I recall asking my Onco whether Docetaxel can be repeated. She said only if the Docetaxel kept the PSA down for at least 6 months after the initial course of treatment.


There are other chemos, namely Cabazitaxel and Mitoxantrone.

User
Posted 09 Aug 2017 at 14:37

I think the standard now is ten cycles of docetaxel or less if the side effects become intolerable. I'm now in a chemo holiday, too.My PSA has stabilized at 1.1 and there is partial evidence that mets have abated. My understanding is that is my current treatment (like yours, zoladex plus prednisolone, though I expect to be swapping the steroid in October) could be followed by rechallenging the PCa with more docetaxel at a later stage and of course the other chemo treatments remain available.

My main reason for stopping the chemo is that it has probably done its job and we are into diminishing returns, plus unwanted side effects. In my case, the increasing breathlessness I reported in cycles 4-6 was unfortunately caused by multiple pulmonary embolisms (lung blood clots) for which I'm now self injecting with Clexane. I shall need six months to get over those anyway, so better not to endanger that recovery with further chemo.

As you can see, my case is a bit unusual, though our treatment is similar and future chemo options remain available.

Good Luck.

AC

User
Posted 19 Aug 2017 at 21:38

After reading many of the recent posts on our site I can't help but notice that many of you are having serious concerns regarding your rising PSA Nos even tho in many cases your readings are 0.1--0.4--4--9--15--19 etc. So where does that leave me? As my current PSA is 217, (down from 1547 in February), yet with my weight loss, diet and fitness regime I've never felt better?? I'm even back playing golf, after 6 months off, (walking 9 holes whist using a buggy for 18). however should I be more concerned at my Psa Nos? Or is there anyone out there, like me, with advanced PCa, feeling "relatively" good, yet still coping with a higher than normal PSA reading?
As stated previously I have recently completed my 1st course of chemo,(6 cycles), am still on Degaralix injections every 4 weeks, and take two steroids, prednisilone, every day, I have a follow up 'way-ahead' consultation meeting with my onco on the 11/09/17, by which time I will have had another comprehensive set of blood tests and a full body C T scan for comparison with my original tests/scans from Feb.
Any/all comments gratefully received.
Thanks J.

User
Posted 19 Aug 2017 at 22:22

With advanced PCa, many oncos will say the PSA score is less important than how you feel. You started high; downward trends are good, upward trends are bad, and apart from that, go with your gut. I think Trevor has been in the 3000s for quite a while now, and there are others trundling along with numbers that for other men would be really bad news.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard
User
Posted 11 Sep 2017 at 15:31

Ok--see thread above for my history to date----PSA in March = 1571 = Advanced PCa with bone mets---- PSA now= 225------As stated above I finished my initial 6 chemo infusions in July and am now on just hormone injections (degaralix), every 4 weeks for life.
Just had a 'way ahead' meeting with my Onco who states that there is no change in last weeks body scan from my scans in March so all ok there,-- my testosterone is still surpressed so all ok there, liver function test satisfactory, --blood glucose test satisfactory, (no diabetes issues).
--Additional PSA test taken today with result back next Monday, (18th), she will then phone me with result and if it's the same and/or lower than in July then I ll be going on a 3 month treatment holiday with my next onco appointment booked for 11/12/17.
However if it's higher then depending on the number she ll be considering additional hormone treatment in tablet form, not abi or enzo at this stage but if required they are options for later.
Also told me to stop taking steroids from tomorrow so that's me (with regard to PCa), tablet free!!
So dependant on PSA Nos next week my new regime could be just hormone injections every 4 weeks coupled with 3 monthly PSA checks?
My General Heath is fine, I'm back playing golf at least twice a week, coupled with walking/cycling as required. So all in all a positive outlook ----let's just hope I've hammered the PSA too??
All the best J.


User
Posted 15 Sep 2017 at 17:24

See above thread--Onco just phoned 3 days early!!! But all ok as my Sept PSA has halved to 112 and she even expects it to reduce further by December,!! so unless anything untoward happens that's me off chemo and steroids till at least 18/12/17. Obviously I ll keep you all posted as/when applicable, but as I haven't had a pint since January I'm just off out to reacquaint myself with a Guinness??
Take care all, J. 😀

User
Posted 15 Sep 2017 at 17:42

Great news
Best wishes and enjoy your pint
Debby

User
Posted 15 Sep 2017 at 18:01

Enjoy

User
Posted 15 Sep 2017 at 18:57
Great news, enjoy your Guiness, Ian.

Ido4

User
Posted 15 Sep 2017 at 21:05

Good on you! I'll raise a glass to you (any excuse).


R


 

 
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