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Growth Hormones in Food

User
Posted 11 Jun 2016 at 09:59

Compared with siblings I was the fittest and most healthiest yet I'm the one who got cancer? I follow a balanced diet which includes some meat and dairy as if diet makes a difference it worked for me these past 11 years. However I mainly follow that diet keep to help keep fit as I have strong doubts that once you have cancer diet makes much of a difference. There are folks who follow certain diets and are doing well so they attribute diet as the reason but set against there're guys who eat whatever takes their fancy and are doing equally as well so?

The aim of fighting the fight is so you can enjoy life which includes your food and drink. 

Ray

User
Posted 11 Jun 2016 at 10:08

I think Ray makes some very valid points. Are wholesale dietary changes once you have the disease very much a case of shutting the stable door once the horse has bolted. My own approach is to go along with some of the dietary and exercise recommendations on the basis that they can't do any harm and the fitter you are when confronting this disease the better.

But I am not giving up my steak and red wine for anybody - I just don't have it as often!

User
Posted 11 Jun 2016 at 10:33
Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

But I am not giving up my steak and red wine for anybody

Nor me...

User
Posted 11 Jun 2016 at 10:56

I think some people are more susceptible to one or more cancers than others. These may be triggered by a number of things. As far as PCa is concerned this has yet to be fully evaluated and quantified. In the case of lung cancer, we do know that statically smokers stand a far greater chance of getting lung cancer, yet even some heavy smokers live to a great age without getting the disease. In Japan though on a similar diet, fewer men get PCa. This suggests to me that diet and it's relationship to PCa is one of the risk triggers for PCa for some men, just as smoking is for lung cancer. Advice on by how a bad diet affects the risk of getting PCa has not been so forthcoming but warnings are increasingly being raised. I wish such warnings had been voiced years ago so that many men including me had had the opportunity to change diet and have a reduced risk of not only PCa but other medical problems to boot. Assuming the PCa of some men is triggered by bad diet or at least is a contributory factor as looks likely, it seems sensible to me to make some changes to diet even after having been diagnosed with PCa.

Barry
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Posted 11 Jun 2016 at 12:13

There will be other factors as well. The Chinese, Japanese and other Far Eastern peoples tend not to eat pre-prepared meals or foods that have been wrapped in plastic, and their Governments do not add flouride or other chemicals to tap water. The same can be said of mediterranean folk who also have far lower rates of PCa.

When I was having genetic counselling in relation to our family line of brain tumours, these were the issues identified to me by the geneticist as possibly increasing risk - plastics (including cling film), drinking water, radiation exposure (including microwaves), living in areas of naturally occurring radon, living on pylon lines, etc. At the oncology dept, John was told off by a nurse for having his mobile phone in his shirt pocket - she said you never see oncology professionals carrying their phones near major organs.

Clearly, as most of my forebears lived and worked in a very small geographic area (a large family all residing in the same few streets in the North East and almost all working in the shipyard or down the mines) and will have breathed the same air, eaten the same food, cooked in similar ways and drunk the same water, there was just as much chance that it was their life style that had caused the brain tumour as it being a rogue family gene. In our village (which has had a huge number of brain tumours recently although not enough apparently to count in DoH data as an official cluster) you can plot their houses on a precise straight line through the village. We also have quite a lot of young onset PCa in the village.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 11 Jun 2016 at 15:38

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

I think Ray makes some very valid points. Are wholesale dietary changes once you have the disease very much a case of shutting the stable door once the horse has bolted. My own approach is to go along with some of the dietary and exercise recommendations on the basis that they can't do any harm and the fitter you are when confronting this disease the better.

But I am not giving up my steak and red wine for anybody - I just don't have it as often!

I think in many ways people here are perhaps missing the point.....

"Are wholesale dietary changes once you have the disease very much a case of shutting the stable door once the horse has bolted." 

Since every man in the world will get prostate cancer (if they live long enough) this simply means that we FOUND OUT we have it before a LOT of other guys will....and MOST of us will get the opportunity to do something about it.

Our goal should be in preventing the spread (since the mets is what kills...is it not?).

So when I read a study about prostate Cancer what I'm interested is the Prevention of Spread NOT in PC Prevention....and guess what most studies that I've seen about Diet indicate that the same nutrients that can prevent prostate Cancer (Lycopene, Soy, Plant based diet etc...) can also prevent the spread.

User
Posted 11 Jun 2016 at 17:17

Hi Bill

A point is from my time on here those with known spread do equally as well basically eating anything as those on a restrictive diet.

Unless I was very lucky in RT HT killing off all my PCa cells then my balanced diet is preventing spread.

We each take note of studies as we do. To my mind they're too simplistic (27 variants of PCa - age - staging - past and current treatment are a just a few factors in a very complex issue)

Is there a study showing those with Abergavenny ancestors are more prone to PCa -:)

Ray

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Posted 11 Jun 2016 at 17:21

No, I think you are missing some of the points made above and in previous threads. Our onco, and many of the others quoted by members, believe that boys and young men should reduce or cut out red meat, dairy etc and increase their tomato / garlic / green foods if they waqnt to avoid getting PCa when they are older. Research at St James's is concluding that by the time they reach maturity it is too late. The research into diet by Prostate Cancer Research UK divided foodstuff into the preventive diet and a diet for men with advanced PCa / mets. They did not have the capacity to research the impact of diet on men with intermediate PCa or who are hoped to be in remission.

Why do you shout?

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 11 Jun 2016 at 18:33

Hi Lyn

I'm not shouting....shouting would be THIS.....simply putting in bold means emphasis....

AS far as diet: I seen quite a few studies on Soy (and Grapeseed Extract for example) indicating not only their preventative qualities BUT also how they may help prevent the spread of PC....in the case of Grapeseed Extract (GSE) by "inducing cell cycle arrest and apoptotic death of human prostate carcinoma DU145 cells".

"...In summary, GSE feeding inhibits prostate tumor growth as well as progression in TRAMP mice without any adverse health effects. At molecular level, GSE decreased the expression of cyclins and Cdks, thereby arresting cell cycle progression that was accompanied by the decreased cell proliferation and an enhanced apoptosis...."

As far as studies on Soy they are even more extensive.....one example:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101108140919.htm

Nevertheless....If I missed the point then sorry.  Then what is the point of discussing diet since everyone here has PC already? We may as well load up on that roast pork and crackling on Sunday.

Edited by member 11 Jun 2016 at 18:43  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 11 Jun 2016 at 19:17

Sorry to be flippant , but now I've read the words " Roast Pork and Crackling on Sunday " I've decided that's what I'm having tomorrow, cancer or no cancer. Perfect !! I'll treat my family to a roast.

If life gives you lemons , then make lemonade

User
Posted 12 Jun 2016 at 00:37

Some of us talk about diet because we hope our sons and grandsons will not be put through the trauma of a cancer diagnosis in later years. Others do so because despite the lack of large scale research, they believe that what they do or don't eat helps. Topgun survived against all odds for 14 years without changing his diet one iota, Alathays was a walking miracle and absolutely believed that he had much to thank Jane Plant for, as does George. I guess everyone just wants to give themselves the best chance.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 12 Jun 2016 at 07:14

Bill

it helps to discuss as it might help others decide what diet path they follow.

Ray

User
Posted 12 Jun 2016 at 08:53
Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

now I've read the words " Roast Pork and Crackling on Sunday " I've decided that's what I'm having tomorrow

Love roast pork and crackling... couldn't exclude that from my diet... :-)

Edited by member 12 Jun 2016 at 08:55  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 12 Jun 2016 at 12:04

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Some of us talk about diet because we hope our sons and grandsons will not be put through the trauma of a cancer diagnosis in later years. Others do so because despite the lack of large scale research, they believe that what they do or don't eat helps. Topgun survived against all odds for 14 years without changing his diet one iota, Alathays was a walking miracle and absolutely believed that he had much to thank Jane Plant for, as does George. I guess everyone just wants to give themselves the best chance.

I agree with this with the proviso that, as yet, we haven't yet got definitive evidence on any one particular trigger as with smoking and lung cancer.

But, as you say, sensible dietary advice should now be focussed on all young people. Little or no processed meat, red meat yes but very much in moderation and restrictions in dairy.

 
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