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50 year old gay doctor in Kent - Surgery (prostatectomy / RP)

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Posted 04 Apr 2016 at 15:36
I came off the catheter 31.03.16 too.

My physiotherapist gave me a sheet of dos and donts for the period after removal of the catheter... one dont was excessive alcohol and caffeine intake as it can cause irritations to the bladder..

Just me.. but I have decided on leaving both alone for a while.

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Posted 04 Apr 2016 at 16:04
Hi Henry,

Thanks for the update. Things sound very positive for you.

Well done on your solo orgasm. You're a braver man than me. I waited a lot longer after surgery before my first attempt. Two years post surgery and my sensation is still a shadow of what it was. I don't think it's going to improve much, but I'll keep on trying just to see ....

Best wishes

Jim

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Posted 09 Apr 2016 at 14:59

Thanks Chris, Jay, KRO and everyone for sharing.
My named nurse thought my hypothesis about the reduced flow and urethral goings on was sound, and advised continuing regular ibuprofen for now. This has returned the flow-rate to what it has been since the op.
Chris - thanks for the tips. Such a good idea to do your shower thing: that is what is known as 'flooding therapy'! I am doggedly ignoring the leaks, if that is not a contradiction in terms, and I have started to avoid going to the loo 'just in case' and letting the bladder really fill.
KRO - a physio! Well done for stopping alcohol. I really enjoy wine, and have decided not to go without it, but I am having less.

The incontinence is improving and I am using Boots 'shields' which are for quite light leakage. I might have to go back to something more substantial, particularly if the amount that comes out if I walk with any purpose doesn't improve. In a 40 minute walk to the post box and back my pelvic floor seems to tire after half an hour or so. I am doing my pelvic exercises, of course. I have also started some sit-ups and squats each day. (I am used to running and going to the gym quite regularly, usually.) I have also started the vacuum pump in the bath.

I shall re-follow this conversation as I don't seem to have been getting notifications for posts. Apologies for the slow response from me!

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Posted 10 Apr 2016 at 00:02

I hate to sound like a spoilsport but three weeks post op might be a bit early for sit-ups - have you checked with the surgeon? The last thing you need is a hernia; unfortunately you are now at higher risk. It's all well being very fit - a lot of people here are impressively so - but this is still major surgery. It took John about 10 weeks to get back to the gym, a long drawn-out 4 months before he was on a rugby pitch, and the bike was chained up for 7 months :-(

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 18 Apr 2016 at 17:31

An update.

It is two days under 4 weeks since my laparoscopic RP.
I am feeling proud today that I went to meet a friend for lunch in London - driving to the train station, doing the train journey, tubing to Marylebone, having said lunch and not talking about my condition all the time, and making it back with very little leakage.
I have a few things on this week aimed at pushing myself a little bit so that I feel confident about managing the incontinence when I get back to work in a week's time. As well as managing the physical logistics (including having a disposable nappy bag with a spare pad and spare pair of undies in my bag!), I want to be able to have sufficient confidence that my mind is not having to work on the incontinence so much that I can't work effectively. There are two parts to that: trying to leak as little as possible, of course, but also accepting that I will leak and keeping a poker face when it happens.
As I have mentioned elsewhere a pad that has more capacity than I am expecting to need and small pants hoiked up unfashionably high help me feel things are all trussed up and contained.

My previous issue with recurrent reduced flow when I stopped ibuprofen seems to have resolved after a week on 400mg three times a day. I have had no problem with this since stopping it again from 16th April.

ED remains as expected but we have managed to enjoy some sex. I can recommend to those with ED wanting to have penetrative sex the 'penis extender'. Google 'Clearly Ample', but many makes are available. This is a hollow silicone transparent dildo, with a ring at its base. You put your balls through the ring so the toy is fixed around the top of your scrotum. Your willy then goes into the hollow of the dildo, and off you go, applying lube as required.
I was so pleased to be able to contribute to sex to climax for David. We had become worried that ED was an insurmountable nightmare side-effect. We did well to overcome our self-consciousness about using something like this together, though we each have occasionally played with sex toys, albeit almost exclusively solo.
Perhaps the condition challenging one to make this kind of change is one of the silver linings?
I would encourage people with ED and their sexual partners to try to move towards feared strange stuff like this rather than turning away from it, if you can, and if it is important to you that you maintain / regain a sex life. The first step is perhaps to look into it yourself, then let your partner know you are interested in experimenting.

On 20th I have the appointment with the CNS who specialises in penile rehabilitation. I believe the focus might be on getting erections 3 times a week to promote the kind of blood supply to the penis that prevents it fibrosing. The PGE 5 drugs need the nerves to be working, but I understand they might see if I am 'a responder' to them. If I am not I guess I will be offered alprostadil as gel (Vitaros), intraurethral pellet/stick (Muse) or intracavernosal injection (Caverject).

A YouTube video from an Australia urology conference said the pump doesn't really get the oxygenated arterial blood that one is after into the penis, as happens in an erection. It tends to draw in venous blood and keep it there, so it might help to expand the penis, but is not quite what we are after, perhaps.

The penile rehab literature does seem to have a consensus that it is 3 erections a week that are required so the old decision, from when viagra came onto the UK market, that 4 erections a month were sufficient for those with ED does not apply to us (not that it was a great decision in the first place). I am all geared up for making sure I am offered enough drugs for the three times a week, not that I have had any reason at all to expect anything other than willingness to prescribe me all the treatments I need for my cancer and the effects of its treatment.

I think my surgeon sees himself as relatively knowledgeable about penile rehabilitation. His website for private practice says he came across it in New York, if you please! (I think the French invented it, though. Just to keep stereotypes alive.)

Still no pathology! My fab CNS regularly emails to tell me she has checked and it's not there, but it really is taking a bit long. Shear volume of work divided by numbers of people doing the job, I assume ...

Henry

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Posted 18 Apr 2016 at 18:00

Hi Henry
Great post and refreshingly honest. I was only talking today about incontinence with Elaine. Whilst I was effectively dry from day one , it took months before I could travel far from a loo. The biggest step was wearing no pad at all and hoping for the best. You WILL get there in time.
Your comment on being open and honest and experimenting in the bedroom is something everyone should understand. It really is the key to making progress , and yes it can actually revive a flagging sex-life ironically.
I'm still very interested in the whole ED recovery thing , having been denied daily Cialis and told the evidence isn't firm. But I've had great help from the ED nurse and local GP. But after now 10 months of using the pump every day and getting a respectable erection , zero is happening naturally ( maybe a tiny tiny bit and I'm being a bit tough on myself ). I've tried all the tablets including the new Spedra at maximum ' event ' dose to no avail. And I was a fit healthy 48 year old with double nerve sparing. All very sad and despairing if I let myself think about it too much. But the injections do the trick if I'm honest , although very painful throbbing for ages after. All day in fact. It takes a fortnight before I'm willing to try again. I can only wish you both the best of luck , and here is to a set of good results soon Henry.
Chris

If life gives you lemons , then make lemonade

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Posted 18 Apr 2016 at 18:01

Great to hear things  are moving along for you Henry.

Interesting findings re; the venous filling induced by the vacuum devices. I will be popping down to my GP this week to see about obtaining one. 

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Posted 18 Apr 2016 at 23:50

Henry, I love your optimism but fear you are either going to build yourself up for a terrible disappointment or prove to the rest of us that the old boys' network still has power.

Regardless of that, your focus on getting 3 erections per week might not be attainable. What are you going to do if you turn out to be one of those for whom the tablets, gels and injections don't work? I would have thought the existing advice - to get blood circulating around the nerve bundles and into the cavernosa in any way you can, at least 3 times a day, would still be the priority? The research from Australia seems counter-intuitive to me - any expansion is going to be preferable to no expansion as the cells die so quickly.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 20 Apr 2016 at 15:34

I had the appointment with the CNS who specialises in penile rehab today.
It was more of a general introduction to the issues than cracking on with action. I guess she deals with all sorts, and hadn't read my mind before our meeting, so the pace seemed slowish to me!
She began by being fairly pessimistic about how things might go for someone who had nerve-sparing on one side (my lump of 4+3 was near the edge of my prostate on the right).
She is more positive about pumps than I was in my post earlier in this conversation. She says getting expansion with pumps and keeping it there for a while is good for avoiding loss of size. She had a somaerect that she showed me. I have to be booked into a 'well man clinic' to be shown how to use it and to find out what the right size is for me. Charming! No room for false modesty in this process, is there?
Then I get my GP to prescribe it.
The band that goes on the base of the penis looked like it will feel really tight when on!
Next appointment at said well man clinic is 28th June. I'm going to have to slow down to their pace. I shall use the Bathmate till then.

She hadn't heard much about Viberect, but I fancy using that too.
It is going to need some planning to religiously set aside time for this, which I can do happily. I worry I might lose interest in it all, though. I know one has to persevere, often for months, and that there is no guarantee. I imagine interest, and devotion to practise/training might flag n the absence of results. And that's without hormone therapy or radiotherapy (which I hope - let us pray - not to need...) causing me side effects.

For alprostadil her preference is to get to injections, basically. She sees the gel/cream (Vitaros) as too small a dose for ED so soon after prostatectomy, and similarly she finds the intraurethral application (MUSE) doesn't work for a lot of people. So they like to get onto injecting if the patient is up for it. (Other treatments might work later, if there is a degree of recovery of funtion). I am paraphrasing her - she was very balanced and gave me choices +++.
This is entirely in keeping with my position at the moment: I am keen to get erections in whatever way necessary, both for penile rehab and for sex. I don't feel spooked by the idea of injecting, so I can try it and see if it suits me (i.e. is effective and doesn't have intolerable side effects for me). I have an appointment in three weeks, when she will show me how to do it and she will inject the lowest does (2.5 mg?) into me. After that I can inject myself at home, titrating the dose up as necessary.

My own lovely CNS was at the unit today. There is still no result for my pathology! Also the consultant isn't there at the clinic I am due to be seen in tomorrow. I shall still go to that appointment, then judge whether I want to ask for an appt with Mr D himself, particularly once the pathology result is in. My CNS is going to tell me about the pathology when it comes out, in any case.

The incontinence continues to improve. I went to this appointment and left some cardboard at the household recycling centre (dump) and there was next to no leakage.

Henry

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Posted 20 Apr 2016 at 17:02

Hi Henry
Sounds like a good appt. You are doing everything you can for recovery which is exactly how I have been from day 1 , having not really wanted the op in the first place. If you don't chase erectile recovery then it just probably won't happen. I only used the pump from 8 weeks on. The bands are very very tight but strangely don't hurt. To be honest you end up with a reasonable erection that has zero base to it whatsoever. It turns blue , goes cold , and loses sensation. I used to use it for sex but now purely for daily exercise. And yes you are right - I'm totally losing interest now at 10 months post op at 48 with double nerve spare. Yes recovery can take ages but you do lose heart after all this time when you have put so much effort in. At least I'm retired and can always find a window of opportunity. It must be difficult when you work and get home and have dinner and maybe kids etc to find the time. All I can say is that without injections I'd be doing my nut by now. They are as close to the real thing I might get. The injection itself is nigh on painless but for me myself the awful pain for the whole day post usage is enough to ensure that only 1 ever gets used per week. Quite simply , what was a bountiful love life pre-op has simply evaporated. On every level mental and physical. But I think we are ok mostly , apart from lifetime treatment now and forever uncertainty.
I know you shouldn't have to do this , but you can actually phone iMedicare direct and get a rep round and they will size you , give you prescription codes and everything. Shame you can't right your own prescription Henry ........ And not enormously expensive if you just want to crack on.
Anyway all the best with your endeavours , may the incontinence dry up , and you be undetectable and EF return to normal.
Chris

If life gives you lemons , then make lemonade

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Posted 20 Apr 2016 at 20:29

Brilliant news henry - your ED nurse sounds great. John was supposedly using the pump 3 times on waking, 3 times when he got home from work and 3 more at bedtime. Interest waxed and waned, depending on how up or low he was feeling.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 21 Apr 2016 at 21:53

Crumby medical outpatient review today. My pathology results still aren't done, and the consultant was absent. So I couldn't even hear from the horse's mouth how the operation went.

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Posted 21 Apr 2016 at 22:12
Hi Henry,

The waiting is awful but you'll get your results soon. Just phone them whenever you need to, they'll understand because they know waiting is worrying.

When is your next appointment?

Jim

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Posted 22 Apr 2016 at 07:33

Thanks, Jim.
Seeing Heather on 3rd May, but she will let me know before then as she is looking to see if the result is done every day.
H

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Posted 11 May 2016 at 20:31

Update after first injection of caverject.

Reader, I got a response on 2.5 mg!
The excellent ED nurse in the urology service took me through it and watched me inject. Putting the needle in was fine. I found I needed a good grip on the syringe to apply the pressure required to get the medicine in. I could feel the pressure of this going in - not a pain, as such. She then left me to roll my penis between my hands, like I was making a sausage out of plasticine. I thought I was being hopeful at first but, sure enough, in a couple of minutes he was definitely growing, and he continued to do so, and that feeling I haven't had for six weeks of having an erection was there.
The nurse knocked to come back in, and said it was the first time she'd seen me grin 'like that'. Well it was a pleasing result! (In fact she had been present with the first consultant I saw to be given my diagnosis, so she has seen me in crumbling tears too.)

Because it was perhaps 80% of full, she said I could try just slightly more - say 3 or 4 ml (equal to 0.3 or 0.4 mg) - next time.
Off I went on my way. To the dump, in fact. I emptied the gubbins with the trouser contents of an peripubescent boy, feeling slightly guilt, but very proud. By the time I got home about an hour after the jab it was just coming off the peak swelling.
OH was out, so couldn't resist a quick unmentionable, just out of curiosity.
So I shall get a prescription from the GP. This is good for the penile rehab as well as for my sex life and my psychological wellbeing and for our relationship.

The incontinence improves apace: one Boots shield per day, and nothing at night. Increasing the exercise gently, currently using rower and cross-trainer and upping time on treadmill by a minute each time. Running remains quite a challenge for the old pelvic floor. Bit of weights and abs. One thing I can't manage is to change in the gym. I will push myself soon and get through my concern about what anyone might think if they see the pad. If they are interested they can ask ... What is the worst that can happen? I have incontinence following treatment for cancer: "get over it", as they say. In any case the not showering and changing after exercise is also embarrassing!

Time has helped our sex life. We have each overcome fears to return to intimacy. One begins to see why some say their ED inspired improvements in ways to experience the connection that sex is for. Having accepted that a bit we found a way to a very intense orgasm for the OH ...

Onwards and upwards!

Hnery

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Posted 11 May 2016 at 20:32

Er, Henry, that is!

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Posted 11 May 2016 at 21:14

Brilliant, delighted for you, we are a long way from this stage. It's a delight to read your posts, congratulations. Sexual activity is important to us as a couple, I have read your posts with interest. Onward and upward . I hope we get there one day, we have talked about it in depth and hope we can resume our physical relationship one day.
Delighted for anyone who can. My oh is away having treatment so another glass of red wine, and I anticipate his home coming on Friday.
Leila

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Posted 11 May 2016 at 21:31

2.5mg !! One quarter of a syringe !?? Blo***dy well done. 40 mg is only just doing it for me , and only for 1 1/2 hrs with intense pain after. Not entirely great or comfortable. I'm thinking of becoming a monk :-((

If life gives you lemons , then make lemonade

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Posted 11 May 2016 at 21:39

Your post do make me smile. I appreciate your honesty, it is so refreshing thank you.
Leila

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Posted 11 May 2016 at 21:41

Sorry this was for Chris oops, I'm enjoying a glass or two, yes two, of good red wine this evening, my down time.hence my slack responses.

 
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