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How to stop feeling devastated?

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Posted 25 Mar 2015 at 18:08

Steph that was such a heartfelt post and I am so glad that you have found out what a pretty smashing bunch we are.http://community.prostatecanceruk.org/editors/tiny_mce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-wink.gif In the early days I felt exactly the same as you are feeling know and finding the forum really was like a light at the end of a very dark tunnel. Believe it or not when things don't seem quite as dark for you and I know this is hard to imagine but I promise you will feel better able to cope , we often describe ourselves as being on a journey and it is a journey that each one of us on this forum is travelling, some with a better diagnosis heading towards a cure and others well not so easy a journey but still walking beside each other every day.

No one in life can imagine what you are feeling at this moment except for others who have walked and are walking the same path. I often end my posts to others by saying stay strong because the one thing that you need is strength in mind and body and when you are feeling weak we are all here to help you back up.

If you click on peoples avatars (that's our ugly mugs)http://community.prostatecanceruk.org/editors/tiny_mce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-wink.gif you will see there Bios telling just about everything from diagnosis to what is happening today. OK mine is not as up to date as it should be but I am working on it. You can check out people who have posted for you. I would say check out George H he has just celebrated 10 years after a pretty dire diagnosis. I have everything crossed that Graham will be in the cure camp and with your stats so far I think there is a very good chance. Caught early there are very good treatments and prognosis.

So as I say many times Stay Strong and keep posting , lean on us when you need to.

BFN

Julie X

NEVER LAUGH AT A LIVE DRAGON
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Posted 25 Mar 2015 at 18:48

Hi Steph

I get the impression that the cancer is the tip of the iceberg with other things that have been going on.

We are all different - both my OH and I deal with what faces us pragmatically. I was diagnosed in August 2013, G7 but fortunately no spread from the prostate, and eventually had my prostatectomy in April last year. I am impotent, although tablets are starting to help, and have to wear a pad a day for slight incontinence.

For me, all has been worthwhile. I play lots of golf, run around helping my parents and mother-in-law, and am looking forward to lots of travelling when my wife retires next month.

Don't despair - there is much to look forward to. Life is a little different for me, but I live as full a life as I can.

Hopefully, your hubby who you clearly care for deeply, will be in the cure camp. Whatever treatment you choose, there should still be plenty to look forward to. Read all the info available, ensure you choose the treatment that is physically and emotionally right for him, and there should be plenty to look forward to.

Paul

Stay Calm And Carry On.
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Posted 25 Mar 2015 at 19:26

Dear Steph

I have been reading your posts and did not respond, as everyone else was giving such positive advice that I felt I had nothing to add.

However I should have done.

After reading your last post I feel sorry that I did not respond, as even just knowing that likeminded people are here is a help in itself.

We have all been to 'dark places' when fighting this disease, but thankfully we are not all there at the same time, so can try to help each other.

I realise that you have been through a lot, and many of us have, but I hope that you now can feel a little better and more ready to tackle this damn disease head on!

Once you get the full diagnosis (after scans etc) let us know and there will be lots of people on here who can advise you. It may not be as bad as you fear. Lets wait and see. Not easy though - infact this waiting is the worst bit.

All the best

 

Alison

 

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Posted 25 Mar 2015 at 21:16

Steph, there are so many kind supportive people here and many have responded to you. I am afraid that it isn't really my style to be fluffy and I do think that your imagination is running away with you. I recognise it because I have a tendency towards the catastrophist myself.

Based on your stats so far, there is every chance that your much loved man is going to be offered a treatment that leads to full remission and this terrible time will become simply another challenge that you faced and overcame together. My husband is now more than 5 years post-diagnosis and getting on with his life - there is no reason to think that he is not cured.

Our dear friend R is 8 years post-op and fully recovered.

My dad is 13 years post op and although the cancer has come back recently, it is so tiny that he is simply keeping an eye on his PSA.

A vivid imagination is useful if you are a novelist or film maker but not so great when it causes you unnecessary pain & distress. There again, if you are a catastrophist, imagining the worst is simply the route to working out a coping strategy and has stood me in good stead over the years.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 25 Mar 2015 at 22:04
Hi Steph and welcome

That was a very powerful post, I am only glad to hear you found some help during the worst of the anxiety and that you also know that we are here too. Every single person here understands that awful feeling. In our case we got told, spread to bones, Gleason 5+5 and you can imagine our world fell apart. Only it didn't, my husband was an amazing oasis of calm, as was I outwardly. Inside and at night, I was a quivering wreck. Fast forward more than four years and we are both still here, hubby is still an oasis of clam and me, well I usually am too these days. These four and a bit years have been frightening and wonderful im equal measure. We are closer than ever and have a great relationship. Our girls visit often and are making the most of having their beloved daddy around. We hope to go on like this for many years yet. It takes time and knowledge to understand the illness. The best advice I read here is to find out from reliable sources the true picture, the toolkit is excellent.

One other thingI want to say is that you are free to pick up the phone and call macmillan or the charity and speak to qualified nurses, who will advise and help you. There should also be a specialist nurse at the hospital who should be assigned to you, you can call them and discuss the diagnosis too. At the moment, as far as anyone knows, your OH is in the cure camp. Once the scans are done you will be fully informed about this and decisions about next steps will need to be made.

Please let us know how things go, my fingers are crossed for a good outcome.

Best wishes

Allison

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Posted 26 Mar 2015 at 07:23

Steph, I've been a member of other sites (non cancer related) and it's always baffled me how people who don't personally know each other can send big hugs if somebody says they got a splinter from gardening etc.

Then everyone gets on the bandwagon and you'd think they'd lost a leg!!

Totally out of proportion to the original post

Now here - here is a different place altogether.

Everyone on here is either a cancer sufferer, their partner, friend etc. We have all seen the result of this disease on our nearest and dearest which is why, when we send a hug or a message of support it's heartfelt and like being enveloped in a big fluffy blanket.

Enjoy that warmth and never again feel that you need to research dark sites. We'd all much rather you came on here and ranted and raved to us and got it off your chest.

Sending a BIG WARM FLUFFY BLANKET your way.

Best Wishes
Sandra

We can't control the winds - but we can adjust our sails
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Posted 26 Mar 2015 at 08:32

Phone call yesterday: bone scan this Friday, MRI Sunday. Rob the calm, pragmatic and reassuring oncology nurse is going to marshal the results as fast as he can (they have a system of nagging the radiologists, apparently) and get the results to the consultant for this Tuesday, in front of the danglies’ team for Thursday with an appointment to see the consultant the following Tuesday, if the nagging works at optimum

Rob says that the ‘grumbly’ feeling in Graham’s abdomen since the biopsy – without wanting to be patronising – is very likely to be anxiety related rather than anything more sinister. Rob says that Graham’s wanting to wee more over the past couple of years can be just as much from the aging process as the Gleason 7. (What a f**** name for it – Glea-son. Where’s the glee?) Rob says that this waiting is the worst time of the lot – he knows, he’s been through it. Rob says that there will be lots of options for treatment, so get to understand them because we have choices. Rob says, Rob says …

Calm, calm, sick-sick calm. It’s my new waltz. Felt calm at the phone call, calm all evening; woke up at 3 am and felt sick, awoke at 6 o’clock and felt sick – then found even more people had written to me … and started to calm down again. What magic is this?

I should know, being a psychotherapist would you believe, long accustomed to ‘the process’, as we call it in the trade. It’s a euphemism for allowing ourselves to wade through a swamp of emotional s*** in order to find the blockage in the sewer, shovelling and smelling it until it starts to flow again rather than trying to ignore that there’s a blockage whilst the sewerage starts to build. The magic lies in the presence of another willing to wade through it with you and let you know you are a) not alone and b) not drowning and c) not dead yet. And honestly? I’m not at all bothered about what comes after c) – we've got some lovely characters waiting to greet us. I’m just sad we’ll lose the scent and the pleasure and comfort of this skin on this skin. 

I’d forgotten how the magic has worked for me in the past. You have reminded me. I’m shovelling, I’m not alone – you are there. I haven’t got the energy to reply to each of you individually, but I will, especially when my hands stop shaking. But please know that again, this morning, to find a few more people had lent their time, energy and voices to a chorus of kindness has brought the six o’clock beat back from ‘sick’ to ‘calm’.  Thank you. x

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Posted 26 Mar 2015 at 10:43

Hi Steph,

Really pleased to hear that it looks as though everything is being sorted quickly with the scan, MRI and the results.  It should put your mind at rest when you know better what's going on.  Fear of the unknown is often worse than knowing what you have to face.

The next week or so could make you feel far better.

Always hear to listen,

Steve x

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Posted 26 Mar 2015 at 21:23

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Posted 26 Mar 2015 at 21:50

I think the nurse Rob has given some good advice that is not to dissimilar to what advice has been given on here :)

Take heart in the stories of others. I am classed as high risk. I had a PSA of 22. Had to have surgery followed by RT as the cancer appeared to have been left behind once the prostate was removed. 18 months after the RT finished my PSA is almost undetectable.

It sounds like things are moving for you which is great

Bri

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Posted 27 Mar 2015 at 08:59

Thank you all so much. Rob's voice, for Graham, is the calm, reassuring centre at the moment. Yesterday, when we were walking the dogs he was able to say that it's not the test that will make him feel terrified - it's going for the results. Then he'll be really anxious. i asked him what he thought was so terrifying and he managed to get it out that it might be the worst thing in the world and that he had 6 months to live. 

I was able to say, quite calmly, "well, actually, it's not quite like that," and all the wonderful words of encouragement and all the factual stories came together giving me the ability to quietly explain how it actually is - that the worst-case scenario might mean 10 years, and that if the disease is rampant. I was able to tell him about curative and containing treatments and that life may be different but it will be better different, in some strange way - according to you wonderful people.

The anxiety just left him. He visibly slackened-off and his face stopped being so tight. After we talked and I told him of some of the stories you guys had shared with me, he decided to read the information in the booklet Rob had given to us and familiarise himself with what might be said at the consultant's appointment.

Bit by bit I - we  are taking heart, Bri, and I now know you are there Steve and all you generous people who have touched me.

Bone scan today - one more step forward.

Thank you without limit. 

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Posted 27 Mar 2015 at 09:43

Steph the waiting for the results, be it from the bone scan, a PSA test etc, is affectionately known amongst us as squeeky bum time. I think we all have something in common with that.

Word of warning for the bone scan. You can usually see the monitor that shows the skeletal frame. The pelvic area will be lit up like a belisha beacon. Tell your OH not to worry about that it will be the radio active substance they have injected that is gathering in his bladder ready for leaving the body when he goes to the loo.

Hope all goes well
Bri

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Posted 27 Mar 2015 at 11:20
Hi Steph,

The very best of luck for today's bone scan. I'm at the hospital now having just seen my cardiac consultant.

It's a beautiful day here, much like it was when I had my bone scan (mind you, mine was done on a Friday the 13th!). I spent a very special day with my wife, eating ice creams in a local park while we waited for the dye to work it's way through the body so I could have the scan.

Today's scan will answer questions, another step towards knowing what's going on.

Thinking of you both.

Steve x

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Posted 27 Mar 2015 at 18:42

HI Steph,  Keep up the good work with Graham.  We are all here for you, El.

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Posted 27 Mar 2015 at 21:59

Hi Steph

 

By now you will have sussed out that this is a real rollercoaster of a ride. My wife and I have been there and now wear the T shirts http://community.prostatecanceruk.org/editors/tiny_mce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-cool.gif

I should  be dead by now according to my urologist but instead I find myself in year 8 (post diagnosis) and still having a ball. Read my profile and trust in the technology. Your husband has drugs available that didn't exist when I was diagnosed and I am still here, totally fine and healthy. That's not to say that this is not serious but there is a lot of hope and we as a forum are here to help you through this http://community.prostatecanceruk.org/editors/tiny_mce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-cool.gif

Nil desperandum

Allister

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Posted 28 Mar 2015 at 08:31

28th March 2015

Hi, guys. I wish you could feel my gratitude over the ethers. I'm sending waves of love and power to you. If you think that's slushy, sorry, but what can I do?

Gray strode into the hospital and read a book in the waiting room. Strode through the doorway into the unknown for the injection and strode out - it was ok, needle hurt a bit but no big deal.  We went shopping - needed stuff because routine has fallen apart a bit and strode back in for the X-Ray.

He came out a bit pale but ok - he was quite chuffed with the way he managed the claustrophobia, the machine being an inch from his face one time and all. He said the guy operating the machine asked if he'd injured his shoulder and he told them no, not really. But he didn't remember that his shoulder has been hurting for years, or that he can't lie on it for long, or that it seemed to have come on through constantly hurling the ball for the dogs like an outfielder over the years and is exacerbated by throwing balls or chopping wood. 

The younger guy went to speak to the boss man who had a closer look on the screen or whatever - I wasn't in there - and when the scan was over the boss person said, "well, that all seems fine/ok/clear/normal" ... take your pick; Graham doesn't 'do' conversation. Nor did he recall anything else that was said other than general blahings. Conversations to Gray have that same quality of dreams, slipping from the grasp upon wakening and fading into thin air. This is one of those times when that trait is so bloody infuriating!

He was fine with it. I needed him to tell me over and over again what the radiologists/doctors were asking, what he told them, what they said – I controlled my panic to just two, puzzled, “so, what did they say about … ?” Nope. It had gone. But we agreed that a doctor wouldn’t say “that all looks fine” if he’d seen something worrying. He’s just say, “that’s fine, we have all the images and these go to your consultant” – a general blahblah rather than, “well, that all looks fine”. Wouldn’t they?

We got home and neither of us had either the energy or the appetite to cook. (Unfortunately, I’m hampered by ME/CFS – it was a feat of willpower to get through the day and one I physically won’t be able to repeat daily; I’m going to have to carefully plan how I can manage to care for him through whatever treatment he has.)

Graham had some soup and then went to sleep on the settee for the next couple of hours. He had experienced a body blow from the stress. It hits him as trauma, anything to do with his body going wrong, and one of the things I worry about is how he is going to mentally cope with anything invasive and/or debilitating he might have to undergo.

I’ve been trying to gently get him to get his head round what treatment might involve – like saying ‘after a month or so, when you have recovered a bit from whatever, then you can start to do some of that stuff online you wanted to do, even whilst sitting in bed or on the settee’, just trying to get his mind tuned to what Rob had told us on that first meeting – “it won’t be brachywhatsit, it might be radiotherapy or robots poking around in you or a surgeon having a fiddle…6 to 12 weeks…tired but get better .. aids…mmn.. mmn.. mnm.

Blimey, it sounds like I’m mothering him or he’s an imbecile or a right wimp.  Actually, he is a wimp (self-confessed) when it comes to illness or operations. He really can’t hack it – when I had treatment for cancer in 2001 he was present bodily but there were invisible birdies tweeting round his head, when he wasn’t wandering off to buy a newspaper because he’d forgotten his book, or grumping at being kept waiting (amongst all the very fearful, sick-looking people). He gets irritated at a cold, and outraged if ever a virus has the audacity to stop him in his tracks.

Illness frightens him – he’s not in control. I guess, now I think of it, it’s quite a masculine trait, this needing to be in control (as in, many men share that quality – I know women do too, get off my case) so it would seem logical for him to dive in and find out just what all the options are, what all the permutations of this f*** illness, now referred to as ‘TFI’, might be, but the fact is, illness, any illness, traumatises him. And I mean, really traumatises. And that’s my other worry – how the hell am I going to help him manage this? He slept for two hours from shock after a bloody X-Ray. But I guess it’s not really ‘just a bloody X-Ray, is it?

Ah, well. “That all looks fine” is what I’m hanging on to right now, and that bit’s over. Sunday, MRI. Will keep you posted.

By the way, you can’t reply to each individual on this site, can you? I mean if I click on ‘reply’ under an individual’s post, it just comes out in the general stream, doesn’t it?

Tell me if I ramble on too much, won’t you? I really mean it – tell me if I’m rambling on too much and sound bites would be better to read through.

XX to you all.

Thanks,

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Posted 28 Mar 2015 at 09:32

I think he might surprise you and you will find that he copes with all this much better than you.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 28 Mar 2015 at 09:55

Hello Steph, I know exactly how you feel as I cannot stop worrying, my OH had brachytherapy in January, he has suffered bad side effects and it still hurts him to sit down (being a farmer he is finding tractor driving very uncomfortable) so with the pain inside, plus his hips and lower back hurt all the time it is always in our minds the question of is it worse than original diagnosis, he was never offered a bone scan so I worry everyday that they may have missed something. I am sure everything is fine, I have to trust the consultants, but in my mind the worry doesn't stop. Even if it is gone (takes a few years with brachy) I know I will be worrying about when (I should be saying if not when) it will return. The consultant said he has very high success rates and sees less than 10% of patients returning so I should be happy.

OH doesn't seem quite so worried as me, he says he would like another 10 years of life but has already booked the plot next to his parents grave in the local church yard!! So he obviously is worrying, not only do I want him here still in 10 years time but our youngest son will be 15 so I hope he will be around a lot longer!

There are a lot of people on here with very positive attitudes, in a far, far worse place than we are and I admire them.

I just wanted to say I know how you feel and I don't know if the worrying will ever stop, hopefully your husband, like mine will have some good treatment soon.

All the best. 

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Posted 28 Mar 2015 at 10:10

Steph, if you are replying following something one of us has posted, the yes, we all see it.

If you click on the persons name, under their picture, it opens their profile box and you can private message there.

Good luck for Sunday.

All the best Sandra

We can't control the winds - but we can adjust our sails
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Posted 28 Mar 2015 at 10:32

Hi Step,

It's not rambling, it's a chance of sharing what you are feeling and what's happening in your life.  I find it really helps me to get things off my chest and I feel much better afterwards, especially with the wonderful support everyone here provides.  Whatever dark place you find yourself in, you are never alone.

I expect Graham now knows what it's like to be a sandwich filling, that's how best I would describe a bone scan.  The scanner lowered itself even further once it cleared my head to maintain the same distance from my body.  I thought to myself if it raises again when it reaches my stomach I will be most offended!  When I was given the letter about the scan, I was told it could last anything up to an hour.  When I walked into the scanner room, the nurse looked me up and down and said "you should only take 30 minutes" (probably due to me being only 5' 6").  When I got up from the scanner bed I said to the nurse that I bet they booked all the shorter people in on a Friday (it was a Friday afternoon and the first day of last year's World Cup in June) so they can scan their quota of patients but go home sooner because they hadn't taken as long to complete!  She said she hadn't thought of that but thought was a great idea. When I reached the waiting room and told my wife, she asked the question "Has anyone measured you yet?".  I thought about saying "So long it isn't the undertaker, I don't mind" but I didn't, fortunately, as I'm sure she wouldn't have shared my sense of humour at that point.

Anyway, I hope the MRI goes well for Graham.

Thinking of you both.

Steve x

 

 
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